Crowdfunded Alt-Right Pirates Of The Libyan Coast

[Torrocca]

Well, who, Gen? The pirates (yes) or the refugees/migrants (no)? Because apparently to some here, refugees and migrants are deserving of death for the simple crime of "wanting a better life".

I would the pirate would be obvious but I guess not, refugees are not criminals by definition.

Sadly, the pirates are not to some, and the refugees are.

[Genivaria]

I would the pirate would be obvious but I guess not, refugees are not criminals by definition.

Sadly, the pirates are not to some, and the refugees are.

Then they live in a moral myopia and don't understand what the word 'crime' means.

[Alvecia]

If I'm reading that right it sounds like crime is increasing at roughly the same rate as the population.
Which, you know, makes sense.

[Torrocca]

Sadly, the pirates are not to some, and the refugees are.

Then they live in a moral myopia and don't understand what the word 'crime' means.

I just don't think they really care, considering some here genuinely want to donate to the pirates to help kill off innocent refugees.

[Nakena]

And your assessment of the popular perception of Europe across a variety of societies and cultures in the Middle East and North Africa is based on what, exactly?

I don't know about your position, but now that I think of it, it seems to me that most people who say this sort of thing, that immigrants and refugees think we're weak and vulnerable, are people who themselves think that Europe is weak and vulnerable. Do they really know what Middle Easterners and North Africans think? Or are they just projecting their own values? Do you know? Or are you just projecting?

Some of them are genuiely weak. Children and some of the Families etc.

Others however, and not few, arent weak or vulnerable. The poorest of the poor, the hungry people of Africa, the people who dont have anything really left in syrian ruins, they dont have the money to pay the human traffickers the several thousend USD they need to get to europe. So who comes isnt necessarily the poor, but those whose families or whoever still could bring together those numbers to send one of them to europe.

They know Europe is rich, they know Europe has open borders, they know that for a few thousend USD they can make it in and that border guards wont shoot at them or lock them up in Camps. They know that Saudi-Arabia is going to throw them into a dungeon and Europe isnt. What they're often wrong about is however the idea that they can make a fast buck there. And thats where the problems start.

But thats a common misconception of people in the 3rd world who think Europe is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.

[Mefpan]

If I'm reading that right it sounds like crime is increasing at roughly the same rate as the population.
Which, you know, makes sense.

I'm so sorry for being in favor of not taking in trash. If someone comes to a country seeking asylum, I'd expect those people to be on their best behavior.

If that's the best behavior of, in my opinion, far too many of them, they can stay the fuck out. We've got issues of our own to deal with.

[AiliailiA]

If it wouldn be for that I could really care less about the whole situation, because then deporting all muslims would be the solution and i wouldn have to worry about the stupid politics of the establishment who're working towards that war to happen due sheer ideological insanity and stupidty.

Deporting all Muslims isn't a solution.

Particularly Muslims who are natural-born American and never held any other citizenship. Where would the US "deport" them to?

[Alvecia]

If I'm reading that right it sounds like crime is increasing at roughly the same rate as the population.
Which, you know, makes sense.

I'm so sorry for being in favor of not taking in trash. If someone comes to a country seeking asylum, I'd expect those people to be on their best behavior.

If that's the best behavior of, in my opinion, far too many of them, they can stay the fuck out. We've got issues of our own to deal with.

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Ifreann]

Deporting all Muslims isn't a solution.

Particularly Muslims who are natural-born American and never held any other citizenship. Where would the US "deport" them to?

Idaho.

[Mefpan]

I'm so sorry for being in favor of not taking in trash. If someone comes to a country seeking asylum, I'd expect those people to be on their best behavior.

If that's the best behavior of, in my opinion, far too many of them, they can stay the fuck out. We've got issues of our own to deal with.

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

[Lady Scylla]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

Pretty sure that's begging the question.

[Risottia]

But thats a common misconception of people in the 3rd world who think Europe is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.

Actually this has always been the case with any kind of mass migration, more or less.

In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Europeans thought America was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the 3rd century AD, Germans and Huns thought Rome was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the second half of 1800s, Chinese and Americans thought California was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the first half of 1800s, Europeans thought India and Africa was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Latin Americans think America is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Syrians think Europe is the place where everyone doesn't get bombed and stuff.

[Liriena]

The far right can be so cartoonish in their villainy.

Not to be mean or anything, but here's hoping their ships sink (with no casualties, of course).

[Alvecia]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

That's a horrible comparison.
I'd eat an orange instead and keep letting immigrants in.

[Risottia]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

I pop out my chemistry set and run tests. If that fails, I feed samples to mice and observe reactions.
The "can't find out which one until you take a bite" bit is utter bullshit.

[Liriena]

But thats a common misconception of people in the 3rd world who think Europe is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.

Actually this has always been the case with any kind of mass migration, more or less.

In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Europeans thought America was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the 3rd century AD, Germans and Huns thought Rome was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the second half of 1800s, Chinese and Americans thought California was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the first half of 1800s, Europeans thought India and Africa was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Latin Americans think America is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Syrians think Europe is the place where everyone doesn't get bombed and stuff.

Plot twist: people migrate to wherever they think they'll have a better life.

It's the reason why Potosí used to be one of the most populated cities in the American continent.

[Nakena]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Islamist fundamentalism and other issues rampaging in the islamic World isn't an genuine european problem but with the massive and unrestricted, uncontrolled influx of people from those region it is quickly becomming one.

Some do, of course, attempt to flee from it. But if you're running away and everyone (including your persecutors)follows you, you're in the same shit again.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

First of all that's not how poisoning works.

Secondly, why the fuck would you not be able to find out through other means other than taking a bite whether or not an apple has poison in it?

Your overly simplistic example fails at even being a real-world example of anything.

[Lady Scylla]

Actually this has always been the case with any kind of mass migration, more or less.

In the late 1800s-early 1900s, Europeans thought America was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the 3rd century AD, Germans and Huns thought Rome was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the second half of 1800s, Chinese and Americans thought California was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the first half of 1800s, Europeans thought India and Africa was the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Latin Americans think America is the place where everyone is rich and stuff.
In the current days, Syrians think Europe is the place where everyone doesn't get bombed and stuff.

Plot twist: people migrate to wherever they think they'll have a better life.

It's the reason why Potosí used to be one of the most populated cities in the American continent.

It's why I've considered moving to Canada or the UK to get out of the US.

[New Grestin]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

Apples aren't fleeing a war-torn shithole fearing death by local militants, their own government, or both. Apples aren't facing persecution because they had the gall to want to protect themselves and their families. Apples are are fruit. We're not talking about Apples, or skittles, for that matter.

The fact that you can look at a humanitarian crisis like this and seriously think we should just turn our backs on these people because some of them might be terrorists is fucking disgusting.

[Pasong Tirad]

Asking for numbers and evidence is being /pol/ now?

I am not throwing lot of links at People. It's not my style. Unless I do have actual numbers and claims, other stuff I just know and have assembled over the Years. I am not somebody who builds up it's post upon some Breitbart or Gawker articles.

Providing links and actual evidence is actually the opposite of a Breitbart of Gawker article. It's what people do when they argue and debate: they provide actual factual evidence, instead of just off-handedly admitting that you don't have any evidence:

...Unless I do have actual numbers and claims, other stuff I just know and have assembled over the Years....

[Liriena]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

If we're speaking about human beings? Yes. Because it's childishly unreasonable to punish millions of people out of fear that a minority of them might do harm. By that same logic, my country should have never received a single Italian immigrant, given that some Italian immigrants went on to participate in anarchist violence.

[Alvecia]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Islamist fundamentalism and other issues rampaging in the islamic World isn't an genuine european problem but with the massive and unrestricted, uncontrolled influx of people from those region it is quickly becomming one.

Some do, of course, attempt to flee from it. But if you're running away and everyone (including your persecutors)follows you, you're in the same shit again.

Hey if the Christians can calm down (mostly) then the Muslims can too. Eventually.
Hopefully one day religion will die out altogether, quarantining it in the Middle East and letting it run rampant won't help the matter.

[Liriena]

They're quite obviously criminals and should be prosecuted.

Well, who, Gen? The pirates (yes) or the refugees/migrants (no)? Because apparently to some here, refugees and migrants are deserving of death for the simple crime of "wanting a better life".

inb4 muh white genocide

[Alvecia]

Well, who, Gen? The pirates (yes) or the refugees/migrants (no)? Because apparently to some here, refugees and migrants are deserving of death for the simple crime of "wanting a better life".

inb4 muh white genocide

"inb4's" are considered spammy these days, just a heads up.