Should bullies be sterilized?

[Sovaal]

Discussing 19th century social engineering like it's novel and amazing insight. How riveting.

Yes, we were quite innovative in the 19th century. Those were the days...

"Those where the days. Everybidy new their place. The blacks in the fields, the poor in the factories and mines, women in the kitchen, savages in the grave, and white man at the helm".


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[USS Monitor]

Yes, we were quite innovative in the 19th century. Those were the days...

"Those where the days. Everybidy new their place. The blacks in the fields, the poor in the factories and mines, women in the kitchen, savages in the grave, and white man at the helm".


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If by "in the fields" you mean on the battlefield whupping rebel ass.

[The Alma Mater]

So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?

[Eol Sha]

So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?

I am. You'll find that others are not so compassionate.

[The Alma Mater]

So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?

I am. You'll find that others are not so compassionate.

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

[Bombadil]

I am. You'll find that others are not so compassionate.

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

I'd be surprised if anyone who thought the death penalty is an effective deterrent would not think this is one too.. that is I wouldn't expect much disparity between the two opinions.

[Eol Sha]

I am. You'll find that others are not so compassionate.

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big factor in deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

I'd be surprised if anyone who thought the death penalty is an effective deterrent would not think this is one too.. that is I wouldn't expect much disparity between the two opinions.

This is some pretty irrational thinking.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why resort to such harsh measures? People are capable of changing. More so if they're children, yet to grow up.

[Bombadil]

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big factor in deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.

I'd be surprised if anyone who thought the death penalty is an effective deterrent would not think this is one too.. that is I wouldn't expect much disparity between the two opinions.

This is some pretty irrational thinking.

You think it's rational to condone sterilisation of bullies but be against the death penalty or vice versa.. or have I misunderstood?

[The Alma Mater]

I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not

I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big deciding factor on deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.

(Cyber)bullying has actually driven quite a few people to suicide - which in several cases was also the bullies intention. So it is possible.
In general however bullying is more akin to rape - yet is not perceived as that serious by society. Which ofc adds to the problems of its victims - at least a rape victim is taken seriousy (except by Republicans, but I digress).

However, I am not advocating the death penalty for bullies - I am asking why some people firmly believe in the usefullness of the death penalty, yet claim sterilisation would serve no purpose.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

This is absurd. Bullying is not genetic. And we are really going to go around castrating kids for being mean while they are, you know, kids? That grow up? And arent bullies anymore? I was bullied, and Im not proud of it but i did a bit of bullying as well when I was a kid. Then the ones thar bullied me, and I as well, grew up and don't do that nonsense anymore. Thats how it works.

[Eol Sha]

I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big deciding factor on deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.

(Cyber)bullying has actually driven quite a few people to suicide - which in several cases was also the bullies intention. So it is possible.
In general however bullying is more akin to rape - yet is not perceived as that serious by society. Which ofc adds to the problems of its victims - at least a rape victim is taken seriousy (except by Republicans, but I digress).

However, I am not advocating the death penalty for bullies - I am asking why some people firmly believe in the usefullness of the death penalty, yet claim sterilisation would serve no purpose.

Yes, I know cyberbullying has done that. All the same, I don't think you should be able to kill someone because someone else decided to kill themselves. It makes no sense to me.

I think there's a pretty firm line between rape and bullying. Especially cyberbullying.

Because we're talking about murderers? Y'know, people who make the active choice to kill someone. Unlike bullying, 100% of a murderer's victims end up dead. There's a reason why we have gradients in terms of sentencing. The more serious a crime the more severe the punishment.

I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big factor in deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.


This is some pretty irrational thinking.

You think it's rational to condone sterilisation of bullies but be against the death penalty or vice versa.. or have I misunderstood?

I don't think the former is rational and I don't think the latter is effective.

[The Alma Mater]

Because we're talking about murderers? Y'know, people who make the active choice to kill someone. Unlike bullying, 100% of a murderer's victims end up dead. There's a reason why we have gradients in terms of sentencing. The more serious a crime the more severe the punishment.

And sterilisation is less severe than death. So.. what point are you trying to make ?

[Gim]

Just install CCTV cameras all over the streets.

[Eol Sha]

Because we're talking about murderers? Y'know, people who make the active choice to kill someone. Unlike bullying, 100% of a murderer's victims end up dead. There's a reason why we have gradients in terms of sentencing. The more serious a crime the more severe the punishment.

And sterilisation is less severe than death. So.. what point are you trying to make ?

That the punishment, in my eyes and probably the eyes of many death penalty proponents, doesn't fit the crime. Obviously, I think, it depends on the person, but I think for many, maybe most, pro-death penalty people the purpose of the death penalty is to achieve some modicum of justice or, for some, revenge. It's not about being bloodthirsty and needlessly violent. It's about exacting justice.

Also, sterilizing kids? Seriously, what the eff?

[Oldenfranck]

Regardless, this is a very slippery slope that will not just end here...

[Esternial]

Bullying is not genetic.

And you base such an absolute statement on what? Your gut?

At least google for a few minutes.

[Soyouso]

"So, Jimmy, when are we gonna have kids?"
"You need to go to a sperm bank. When I was a kid I pulled a girl's hair and now I'm sterile. Sorry."
I don't think bullies need to have their chance at children taken away, that's an extreme. This is coming from a borderline Legalist. I just think they need to face the normal consequences so they realize they can't get away with shit like that. They need to be taught. Not just a scolding, but you know, an actual school punishment. The parents need to actually do something too. Sometimes kids bully other kids because something else is going on and they want to feel like they have power over something so they bother the other kids.

My mom is a lunch lady, and there was this 10 year old girl who kept starting fights and beating up the other kids. Eventually they found out the girl was living with a drug addicted single mom who kept bringing men in, and one of them raped her. She didn't know how to cope with that stuff, she's only ten. She wasn't getting the therapy she needed. That girl probably isn't a sadist who likes to push around the other kids, she just had a bad parent who didn't teach her not to do that and didn't even know what was going on in her own house.

If this is an adult bullying someone, then they shoud already fucking know better. If it's serious enough (as in someone legit following someone around after being told to go away and tormenting them, not just being mean) we have harassment laws..

[Alvecia]

Feels like it's been a while since the last eugenics thread.

[The Silkan]

Well they can be rehabilitated after getting beaten

They probably already have been by their parents

Sorry that I'm a little late, but how do people come to the conclusion, that children who are beaten by their parents must be potential bullies and thus almost all bullies are beaten by their parents?
I know I've heard this argument many times and of course it's backed by studies but if you know something about that could you please elaborate and give me the main reason why beaten children
choose to beat others?
But I am sure it's no justification for their behaviour.

[Sovaal]

They probably already have been by their parents

Sorry that I'm a little late, but how do people come to the conclusion, that children who are beaten by their parents must be potential bullies and thus almost all bullies are beaten by their parents?
I know I've heard this argument many times and of course it's backed by studies but if you know something about that could you please elaborate and give me the main reason why beaten children
choose to beat others?
But I am sure it's no justification for their behaviour.

Simple. They are powerless in their home lives, and angry. So, they take that anger out on people who are less powerful then they are, to make themselves feel better about themselves.

[Longweather]

So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?

For the most part, yes. Only the living feel pain. Let them live and experience the pain of life. Much more cruel.

[The Silkan]

Sorry that I'm a little late, but how do people come to the conclusion, that children who are beaten by their parents must be potential bullies and thus almost all bullies are beaten by their parents?
I know I've heard this argument many times and of course it's backed by studies but if you know something about that could you please elaborate and give me the main reason why beaten children
choose to beat others?
But I am sure it's no justification for their behaviour.

Simple. They are powerless in their home lives, and angry. So, they take that anger out on people who are less powerful then they are, to make themselves feel better about themselves.

Aha. If that's the case, then the root of that problem must then be the need of "power". So this leads us to the question of why we should be taught that being powerful feels good to begin with.
I mean it then lies in society being obsessed with "power" or in other words embracing envy.

So it's actually never the problem with bullies facing harsh punishments - the school is without question a place only for education and should stay like that - but it must be the outer factors which also have to be dealt with.
You know what I'm saying?

[Soviet Socialist and Peoples Republics]

Is it just me or is every instance of politics pertaining to the genital area a bad idea?

[Sovaal]

So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?

People should only be executed in a way that ends them rightly.

So pelt then with pommels.

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