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Whilst this discussion is indeed interesting I feel that the answer is both obvious, simple and requires no science at all. And yes, no science at all is required. Only simple logic. A bully without his balls can still be a bully. Therefore castrating a bully provides no solution to the problem. The solution is to do something that either removes the criminal individual from the general population (euthanasia, prison etc.) or that applies Pavlovian reeducation to make them behave differently in the future.

Purpelia wrote:*sigh*

Whilst this discussion is indeed interesting I feel that the answer is both obvious, simple and requires no science at all. And yes, no science at all is required. Only simple logic. A bully without his balls can still be a bully. Therefore castrating a bully provides no solution to the problem. The solution is to do something that either removes the criminal individual from the general population (euthanasia, prison etc.) or that applies Pavlovian reeducation to make them behave differently in the future.

The review I cited has an entire subsection on intervention strategies which does not involve ethically questionable strategies.

Purpelia wrote:*sigh*

Whilst this discussion is indeed interesting I feel that the answer is both obvious, simple and requires no science at all. And yes, no science at all is required. Only simple logic. A bully without his balls can still be a bully. Therefore castrating a bully provides no solution to the problem. The solution is to do something that either removes the criminal individual from the general population (euthanasia, prison etc.) or that applies Pavlovian reeducation to make them behave differently in the future.

Because the death penalty for bullies isn't a bad idea at all

After my last security job in a public event, I'm convinced more than ever that compulsory sterilization ought to be applied to a significant segment of the population not limited just to violent bullies.

So just for the sake of being cynical and edgy, I'm gonna go with yes to answer OP's question. Sterilization might not make bullies any less of bullies, but it will at least prevent them from procreating and breeding a new generation of bullies by neglect and lack of parenting skills inherited from their own families.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:After my last security job in a public event, I'm convinced more than ever that compulsory sterilization ought to be applied to a significant segment of the population not limited just to violent bullies.

So just for the sake of being cynical and edgy, I'm gonna go with yes to answer OP's question. Sterilization might not make bullies any less of bullies, but it will at least prevent them from procreating and breeding a new generation of bullies by neglect and lack of parenting skills inherited from their own families.

Are you going to lead by example?

Nova Stephania wrote:

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:After my last security job in a public event, I'm convinced more than ever that compulsory sterilization ought to be applied to a significant segment of the population not limited just to violent bullies.

So just for the sake of being cynical and edgy, I'm gonna go with yes to answer OP's question. Sterilization might not make bullies any less of bullies, but it will at least prevent them from procreating and breeding a new generation of bullies by neglect and lack of parenting skills inherited from their own families.

Are you going to lead by example?

Well he's not wrong. The thought has entered my head when I've directed traffic. People are idiots

Purpelia wrote:*sigh*

Whilst this discussion is indeed interesting I feel that the answer is both obvious, simple and requires no science at all. And yes, no science at all is required. Only simple logic. A bully without his balls can still be a bully. Therefore castrating a bully provides no solution to the problem. The solution is to do something that either removes the criminal individual from the general population (euthanasia, prison etc.) or that applies Pavlovian reeducation to make them behave differently in the future.

I just spat out my drink after realizing what you meant by this, you are suggesting that people who are bullies should be down right killed? Not only would that be expensive as hell, but that would mean that anyone could be executed for any reason. Imagine it

_{Person A: "That shirt looks shitty"
Person B: "BULLY"
Cops: "Sorry bud, but being a bully means death or life in prison"}

You see what I am getting at?

Sterilisation should never be used as an option because then you're opening the door for eugenics.

Brotherhood of Freedom wrote:

Purpelia wrote:*sigh*

Whilst this discussion is indeed interesting I feel that the answer is both obvious, simple and requires no science at all. And yes, no science at all is required. Only simple logic. A bully without his balls can still be a bully. Therefore castrating a bully provides no solution to the problem. The solution is to do something that either removes the criminal individual from the general population (euthanasia, prison etc.) or that applies Pavlovian reeducation to make them behave differently in the future.

I just spat out my drink after realizing what you meant by this, you are suggesting that people who are bullies should be down right killed? Not only would that be expensive as hell, but that would mean that anyone could be executed for any reason. Imagine it

_{Person A: "That shirt looks shitty"
Person B: "BULLY"
Cops: "Sorry bud, but being a bully means death"}

You see what I am getting at?

Thought crimes man.

i was beaten by three boys whose dads beat them.

Sterilizing those kids would not stop those dads.

I doubt this is a genetic trait; more likely a sock pattern of family relationship which gets acted out in society.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Longweather wrote:I... I'm having difficulty finding words to how atrocious I find this idea. Seriously, this belongs in the pile of simple solutions that are 100% wrong.

Is it more atrocious than bullying itself ?

Yes. Bullying is a spectrum of actions but that doesn't mean that we need to infringe on the bodily sovereignty of those that commit the acts.

Pope Joan wrote:i was beaten by three boys whose dads beat them.

Sterilizing those kids would not stop those dads.

Would stop them from beating their kids though, breaking the pattern.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Pope Joan wrote:i was beaten by three boys whose dads beat them.

Sterilizing those kids would not stop those dads.

Would stop them from beating their kids though, breaking the pattern.

Or you decide that you don't want to be a statistic. I know several people who are like that. They grew up in an abusive home and turned out to be the most loving parents ever.

Erm, no. Forced sterilization is bullying incarnate. How you missed that, I don't know.

The only reason something like that should happen is so they don't reproduce and become a child abuser.

Discussing 19th century social engineering like it's novel and amazing insight. How riveting.

No, but they should be beaten

As someone who's been on the receiving end of bullying throughout my 15 years on this planet, I strongly disagree. It's not as if being a bully is an inherited trait, so it isn't going to stop any future bullies in that regard. If this is meant as a punishment for being a bully, then I am a strong opponent of using justice to punish and deter; I think the goal of a justice system should be to rehabilitate offenders into society.

It's a terrible idea, and I don't see how it's going to stop anything.

Crylante wrote:As someone who's been on the receiving end of bullying throughout my 15 years on this planet, I strongly disagree. It's not as if being a bully is an inherited trait, so it isn't going to stop any future bullies in that regard. If this is meant as a punishment for being a bully, then I am a strong opponent of using justice to punish and deter; I think the goal of a justice system should be to rehabilitate offenders into society.

It's a terrible idea, and I don't see how it's going to stop anything.

Well they can be rehabilitated after getting beaten

The Silkan wrote:

Crylante wrote:As someone who's been on the receiving end of bullying throughout my 15 years on this planet, I strongly disagree. It's not as if being a bully is an inherited trait, so it isn't going to stop any future bullies in that regard. If this is meant as a punishment for being a bully, then I am a strong opponent of using justice to punish and deter; I think the goal of a justice system should be to rehabilitate offenders into society.

It's a terrible idea, and I don't see how it's going to stop anything.

Well they can be rehabilitated after getting beaten

They probably already have been by their parents

Fetlar wrote:95% of the human race should be sterilized.

Saw a guy in my region saying that the other day, and I TGed him about it. He really made sense.

As Bill Burr says,

"I'm pro-swine flu."

The problem is: Who gets to decide who is enough of a bully to get sterilized? It's very open to abuse.

Also, there are some people who go through a phase of being a bully, but later outgrow it and realize it was wrong.

The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. We know there are environmental factors like lead poisoning or abuse that can contribute, but we don't know there isn't also a genetic component. Most behaviors are a mix of environment and genetics.

Pyseptop wrote:Discussing 19th century social engineering like it's novel and amazing insight. How riveting.

Yes, we were quite innovative in the 19th century. Those were the days...

USS Monitor wrote:

Pyseptop wrote:Discussing 19th century social engineering like it's novel and amazing insight. How riveting.

Yes, we were quite innovative in the 19th century. Those were the days...

The fact you were the one to say that cracks me up.

My response to folks going on about genetics is simple: I bench 2pl8 and OP rarely does, one is on the good side of the selection process and one is not.