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by Sovaal » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:59 pm
by USS Monitor » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:01 pm
by The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:09 pm
by Eol Sha » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:10 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?
by The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:54 pm
Eol Sha wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?
I am. You'll find that others are not so compassionate.
by Bombadil » Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:59 pm
by Eol Sha » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:39 pm
Bombadil wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not
I'd be surprised if anyone who thought the death penalty is an effective deterrent would not think this is one too.. that is I wouldn't expect much disparity between the two opinions.
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by Bombadil » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:46 pm
Eol Sha wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not
I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big factor in deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.Bombadil wrote:
I'd be surprised if anyone who thought the death penalty is an effective deterrent would not think this is one too.. that is I wouldn't expect much disparity between the two opinions.
This is some pretty irrational thinking.
by The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:47 pm
Eol Sha wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
I am interested to hear why they believe one is an effective deterrent and the other is not
I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big deciding factor on deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.
by Bezkoshtovnya » Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:49 pm
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Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Eol Sha » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:01 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Eol Sha wrote:I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big deciding factor on deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.
(Cyber)bullying has actually driven quite a few people to suicide - which in several cases was also the bullies intention. So it is possible.
In general however bullying is more akin to rape - yet is not perceived as that serious by society. Which ofc adds to the problems of its victims - at least a rape victim is taken seriousy (except by Republicans, but I digress).
However, I am not advocating the death penalty for bullies - I am asking why some people firmly believe in the usefullness of the death penalty, yet claim sterilisation would serve no purpose.
Bombadil wrote:Eol Sha wrote:I imagine the severity of the "crime" is a big factor in deciding if bullying is worthy of the death penalty. For example, murderers get the death penalty because they've clearly done something pretty heinous. They've ended someone's life without consent. On the other hand, I'm not sure how cyber bullying, for example, could ever be placed on the same level as murder.
This is some pretty irrational thinking.
You think it's rational to condone sterilisation of bullies but be against the death penalty or vice versa.. or have I misunderstood?
by The Alma Mater » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:06 am
Eol Sha wrote:Because we're talking about murderers? Y'know, people who make the active choice to kill someone. Unlike bullying, 100% of a murderer's victims end up dead. There's a reason why we have gradients in terms of sentencing. The more serious a crime the more severe the punishment.
by Eol Sha » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:18 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Eol Sha wrote:Because we're talking about murderers? Y'know, people who make the active choice to kill someone. Unlike bullying, 100% of a murderer's victims end up dead. There's a reason why we have gradients in terms of sentencing. The more serious a crime the more severe the punishment.
And sterilisation is less severe than death. So.. what point are you trying to make ?
by Oldenfranck » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:29 am
by Soyouso » Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:24 am
by The Silkan » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:36 am
by Sovaal » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:32 am
The Silkan wrote:Thermodolia wrote:They probably already have been by their parents
Sorry that I'm a little late, but how do people come to the conclusion, that children who are beaten by their parents must be potential bullies and thus almost all bullies are beaten by their parents?
I know I've heard this argument many times and of course it's backed by studies but if you know something about that could you please elaborate and give me the main reason why beaten children
choose to beat others?
But I am sure it's no justification for their behaviour.
by Longweather » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:30 am
The Alma Mater wrote:So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?
by The Silkan » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:17 pm
Sovaal wrote:The Silkan wrote:
Sorry that I'm a little late, but how do people come to the conclusion, that children who are beaten by their parents must be potential bullies and thus almost all bullies are beaten by their parents?
I know I've heard this argument many times and of course it's backed by studies but if you know something about that could you please elaborate and give me the main reason why beaten children
choose to beat others?
But I am sure it's no justification for their behaviour.
Simple. They are powerless in their home lives, and angry. So, they take that anger out on people who are less powerful then they are, to make themselves feel better about themselves.
by Soviet Socialist and Peoples Republics » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:26 pm
by Sovaal » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:34 pm
The Alma Mater wrote:So, since everyone here seems to think said punishment would achieve nothing and serve no pupose, other than feeding feelings of revenge, I take it everyone here is also against things like the death penalty in general ?
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