Should bullies be sterilized?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

op, if you had a bad day at school or something there's a better way to vent your anger out instead of proposing to sterilize people.

I haven't been in school in years. Nice try, though.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.

And where exactly do you think they got their ways from?

It all goes back to genetics at some point in evolution or another.

Well domineer behavior from our early evolution.

[New haven america]

As someone who's been bullied for about a 3rd of my life, with it fucking up my social development, no, they should not.

Bullying is not a genetically inheritable trait.

[Arcturus Novus]

Hey, OP? What the fuck?

(serious reply: no, as bullying is a learned behavior, not a heritable one. It's like sterilizing people for being poor, but with less dystopian classist undertones.)

[New haven america]

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.

And where exactly do you think they got their ways from?

It all goes back to genetics at some point in evolution or another.

Other people who bully.

What do you think a learned behavior is?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No.

Bullying, while bad, is not a genetic trait. Most often caused by parental issues or poverty.

[Warg the Immortal]

Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?

My father went to school with a guy who was a huge bully and over all douchebag, but his son is probably one of my closest friends and one of the nicest guys ever. No, not hereditary

[Luziyca]

As someone who has been bullied in Grade 5, sterilizing bullies is one of the worst ideas I have heard in a while.

I wouldn't want to wish my experience on anyone else, but if it were not for the bullying, I would probably be a completely different person. I'd probably still be a more naive idealist who doesn't piss away my time on this site.

[Mandicoria]

op, if you had a bad day at school or something there's a better way to vent your anger out instead of proposing to sterilize people.

I haven't been in school in years. Nice try, though.

then why haven't you gone to college

[The Widening Gyre]

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.

And where exactly do you think they got their ways from?

It all goes back to genetics at some point in evolution or another.

Organisms are not robots driven by their genes. That's not how any of this works. Behaviour is an emergent property of genetics, development, the environment, the brain and the entire biochemistry of the body. Boiling it down to one factor in pursuit of your dogma is utterly ridiculous and dangerous.

[Wallenburg]

Apparently the OP has not taken middle school biology.

I've taken high school biology. I've taken introductory university biology. I was taught about divergent evolution. And I know that our closest evolutionary cousins are the great apes, with which we have a lot in common behaviourally, especially in comparison to other animals.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that, if not bullying in and of itself, then at the very least the personality traits that lead to it are influenced by genetics.

Sure, sure you've taken university courses in biology. That explains why you know nothing about hereditary traits, inheritance, or nature vs. nurture.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

This sounds like Hitler's plan to sterilize disabled people, but worse.

No. It's the opposite. Hitler sided with those who took pride in brute strength, let alone willingness to use it against the weak and vulnerable, instead of siding with the weak and vulnerable over those who would use brute strength against them. And by the way, he didn't exactly limit himself to sterilizations.

The "anti-eugenics" types are in the middle, certainly, but they're enabling this behaviour by allowing those prone to it to create more like them.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I've taken high school biology. I've taken introductory university biology. I was taught about divergent evolution. And I know that our closest evolutionary cousins are the great apes, with which we have a lot in common behaviourally, especially in comparison to other animals.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that, if not bullying in and of itself, then at the very least the personality traits that lead to it are influenced by genetics.

Sure, sure you've taken university courses in biology. That explains why you know nothing about hereditary traits, inheritance, or nature vs. nurture.

Nurture IS nature, unless you want to believe that we nurture differently than animals by coincidence.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I haven't been in school in years. Nice try, though.

then why haven't you gone to college

I have. Nice try, though.

[Mandicoria]

then why haven't you gone to college

I have. Nice try, though.

then why don't you have anything else better to do other than posting this topic on some forum.

[The Islands of Versilia]

The only people who should be sterilized should be the people who cause the most damage to society.
Like that one politician who said god will fix climate change.
He should lose his right to run for political positions.
And lose the right to adopt.
Or be anywhere near a child.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Wait, wouldn't this also breed out people like me, with anger issues and aggressiveness, but high protective instincts? Damn, how many threads are gonna give me wierd existentialism?

[Imperializt Russia]

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.

And where exactly do you think they got their ways from?

It all goes back to genetics at some point in evolution or another.

Socioeconomics doesn't exist, it's a lizardmen ploy to discredit 1920s eugenics!

[The first Galactic Republic]

Sure, sure you've taken university courses in biology. That explains why you know nothing about hereditary traits, inheritance, or nature vs. nurture.

Nurture IS nature, unless you want to believe that we nurture differently than animals by coincidence.

Nurture is distanced from genetics. Behaviors that are learned from an environment don't come from genetics.

Nature refers to inherent behaviors in an individual that have nothing to do with an environment. That would pretty much always come from genetics, but learned behavior doesn't.

[Nova Stephania]

The "anti-eugenics" types are in the middle, certainly, but they're enabling this behaviour by allowing those prone to it to create more like them.

If you demonstrated how bullying is hereditary there might be something to discuss, but most people are yet to be convinced of that so your thread died on its arse long before you accused us of "enabling" bullying.

[Oudland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkKTY_ZljyU#t=108s

So this scene (but mostly the groin kick at about 108 seconds in) got me thinking; that might make him sterile, and in so doing, reduce the population of bullies in the next generation.

Why aren't we doing this on a larger, more lawful scale, rather than leaving individuals who take the matter into their own hands (or in this case, their own feet) to risk prosecution? Why do we keep relying on ineffective anti-bullying strategies that fight the uphill battle against bullies' very nature when we could be literally cutting off bullying at the source?

Only if we can sterilize other pesky groups the state deems undesireable as well.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I have. Nice try, though.

then why don't you have anything else better to do other than posting this topic on some forum.

There's theoretically an infinite number of possible reasons why that could be the case. Your initial assumption being that I was still in school reveal more about you than about me.

[Wallenburg]

Sure, sure you've taken university courses in biology. That explains why you know nothing about hereditary traits, inheritance, or nature vs. nurture.

Nurture IS nature, unless you want to believe that we nurture differently than animals by coincidence.

I suppose I was taught to have brown hair and blue eyes then, and that I genetically inherited a taste for science fiction movies.

[Gig em Aggies]

You know at first this sounded like a Keshiland idea its stupid and so is the op's thought process of thinking we should assume everything is genetic until proven otherwise. Go back to biology class OP you clearly didn't do very good if this is what you think would solve bullying.

[The East Marches II]

Then OP all you will do is create a weak society.

"I don't like X behavior so you lose your ability to breed"

Thats not a plan for success.