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Should bullies be sterilized?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:32 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkKTY_ZljyU#t=108s

So this scene (but mostly the groin kick at about 108 seconds in) got me thinking; that might make him sterile, and in so doing, reduce the population of bullies in the next generation.

Why aren't we doing this on a larger, more lawful scale, rather than leaving individuals who take the matter into their own hands (or in this case, their own feet) to risk prosecution? Why do we keep relying on ineffective anti-bullying strategies that fight the uphill battle against bullies' very nature when we could be literally cutting off bullying at the source?
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:33 pm

Being a bully is not a heritable trait.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:33 pm

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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:34 pm

bullies are now a genetic disorder
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:34 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:34 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

Apparently the OP has not taken middle school biology.
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?

Yes, we do. Behavior such as bullying is learned, and developed through personal experiences. Anyone with an elementary grasp on biology understands this.
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Postby Fetlar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:35 pm

95% of the human race should be sterilized.

Saw a guy in my region saying that the other day, and I TGed him about it. He really made sense.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:35 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?


So what genes make someone a bully?
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Postby Nova Stephania » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:35 pm

What makes you think bullying is a hereditary trait? Bullies in my experience tend to be troubled people.

Even if it was hereditary "let's just breed people we dislike out of existence" has never really works out.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:36 pm

As the victim of lifelong bullying that probably fucked up my social development:

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:37 pm

Fetlar wrote:95% of the human race should be sterilized.

Saw a guy in my region saying that the other day, and I TGed him about it. He really made sense.

I honestly can't tell if you are serious or not. Poe's Law and all.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:37 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

Apparently the OP has not taken middle school biology.

I've taken high school biology. I've taken introductory university biology. I was taught about divergent evolution. And I know that our closest evolutionary cousins are the great apes, with which we have a lot in common behaviourally, especially in comparison to other animals.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that, if not bullying in and of itself, then at the very least the personality traits that lead to it are influenced by genetics.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:38 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.
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Mulltiple reasons that I'll limit to castration is a bad punishment for a child making a mistake
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:39 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?

Geld first and ask questions latter?
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:39 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:As the victim of lifelong bullying that probably fucked up my social development:

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This could be interpreted as either supporting or opposing the OP. :p
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:We don't know that. Why not find out?


So what genes make someone a bully?

Quite frankly, if we wait on people to find out, we never will. Look at how much people are flying at the handle over "warrior genes" research as it is. And that's just for genes that make people violent, without the biologists even claiming to know who it makes them violent against, or whether or not it makes them channel their violent nature in constructive ways.

Everything should be presumed genetic until proven otherwise. The alternative is to let people stack the deck against genetic explanations indefinitely, despite all the other links between genetics and behaviour that have already been established.
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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:40 pm

op, if you had a bad day at school or something there's a better way to vent your anger out instead of proposing to sterilize people.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:40 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:Being a bully is not a heritable trait.

We don't know that. Why not find out?


Yes we do. In the same way we know there isn't a 'likes classical music' gene.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Why is this even a topic, holy shit? Bullying is not a hereditary trait, it's a product of the bully's environment.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:40 pm

Pls lets not do eugenics again.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:41 pm

This sounds like Hitler's plan to sterilize disabled people, but worse.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:41 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what genes make someone a bully?

Quite frankly, if we wait on people to find out, we never will. Look at how much people are flying at the handle over "warrior genes" research as it is. And that's just for genes that make people violent, without the biologists even claiming to know who it makes them violent against, or whether or not it makes them channel their violent nature in constructive ways.

Everything should be presumed genetic until proven otherwise. The alternative is to let people stack the deck against genetic explanations indefinitely, despite all the other links between genetics and behaviour that have already been established.


We shouldn't assume anything without evidence. To do otherwise is to slide straight into dogmatism.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:41 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:We don't know that. Why not find out?

We know it isn't inheritable. It is learned.

It is true that criminals beget criminals and bullies beget bullies, but this is simply because these people impart their ways onto their children.

And where exactly do you think they got their ways from?

It all goes back to genetics at some point in evolution or another.
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