Van hits 6 on London bridge.

[Corrian]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

Is that an assumption resulting from projecting your own feelings and thoughts on them and assuming they are just like you, or actual fact ?

I don't 100% know if its fact, but it certainly comes off as very, very likely.

If you were a Muslim and saw people wanting to put you on watch lists, deport you all, or even go as far as kill you all, what do YOU think that would do to your mindset?

[Torrocca]

Is that an assumption resulting from projecting your own feelings and thoughts on them and assuming they are just like you, or actual fact ?

I don't 100% know if its fact, but it certainly comes off as very, very likely.

If you were a Muslim and saw people wanting to put you on watch lists, deport you all, or even go as far as kill you all, what do YOU think that would do to your mindset?

I know I'd panic and probably want to fight back against that in some way.

[Vassenor]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

[Donut section]

News just in we can ignore people who have the wrong political perspective.

News' just in: saying "it's a cultural issue" is one of the most painfully, stupidly obvious observations you can make. Of bloody course it's a cultural issue. Nobody with the flimsiest notion of culture thinks that a phenonemon like terrorism could not have cultural implications. The question is not whether it's a cultural issue, but within which culture exactly the problem lies, and where in it, and what internal and external factors are at play.

You might be wont to say "Muslim culture" and leave it at that, but that would not even qualify as bad anthropology. You might also be wont to say "Middle Eastern culture", and look even more foolish as soon as we started to take a closer look.

If you're going to talk about cultural issues underlying terrorism, I do hope you're going to apply at least a modicum of nuance and leave whatever shallow otherization you've got on your sleeve at the door.

Same goes for "religious reformation". How much do you actually know about Islamic doctrine, Islamic history, and the state of the Islamic faith as a whole? Do you really think you are qualified to preach about reforms to the entire Islamic faith?

Yeah I'm going to admit that I didn't understand half of what you said, and it's going to take me way to long to read it again and again.

So I'm going to not respond to you until you can pass a kiss test (keep it simple stupid).

[Ishraqistan]

News' just in: saying "it's a cultural issue" is one of the most painfully, stupidly obvious observations you can make. Of bloody course it's a cultural issue. Nobody with the flimsiest notion of culture thinks that a phenonemon like terrorism could not have cultural implications. The question is not whether it's a cultural issue, but within which culture exactly the problem lies, and where in it, and what internal and external factors are at play.

You might be wont to say "Muslim culture" and leave it at that, but that would not even qualify as bad anthropology. You might also be wont to say "Middle Eastern culture", and look even more foolish as soon as we started to take a closer look.

If you're going to talk about cultural issues underlying terrorism, I do hope you're going to apply at least a modicum of nuance and leave whatever shallow otherization you've got on your sleeve at the door.

Same goes for "religious reformation". How much do you actually know about Islamic doctrine, Islamic history, and the state of the Islamic faith as a whole? Do you really think you are qualified to preach about reforms to the entire Islamic faith?

Yeah I'm going to admit that I didn't understand half of what you said, and it's going to take me way to long to read it again and again.

So I'm going to not respond to you until you can pass a kiss test (keep it simple stupid).

I mean, if you didn't understand that, who's the stupid one?

[Donut section]

So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

Why will the former necessarily lead to the latter? Why do you consider deporting all Muslims in any way a feasible, realistic option? Do you think high-income, well-educated, or assimilated liberal Muslims should be included? How would you accomplish such task?

You can only be fucked up for so long, you either die or get better.

Yes they should, it helps when you have a foot in the door.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

There are some such as myself who have no interest in xenophobic nonsense such as deportation but who would like the government do much, much more to combat terrorism. How many more attacks and deaths will have to arise before maybe, just maybe, Parliament decides a tougher approach will be needed?

[Vassenor]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

There are some such as myself who have no interest in xenophobic nonsense such as deportation but who would like the government do much, much more to combat terrorism. How many more attacks and deaths will have to arise before maybe, just maybe, Parliament decides a tougher approach will be needed?

If you don't do that then my post is not about you, is it?

[Ishraqistan]

Why will the former necessarily lead to the latter? Why do you consider deporting all Muslims in any way a feasible, realistic option? Do you think high-income, well-educated, or assimilated liberal Muslims should be included? How would you accomplish such task?

You can only be fucked up for so long, you either die or get better.

Yes they should, it helps when you have a foot in the door.

"""fucked up"""

yeah because all muslims are bloodthirsty terrorists who kill and eat babies alive amirite? get 'em muzzies out of my country, harr harr!

[Darussalam]

Why will the former necessarily lead to the latter? Why do you consider deporting all Muslims in any way a feasible, realistic option? Do you think high-income, well-educated, or assimilated liberal Muslims should be included? How would you accomplish such task?

You can only be fucked up for so long, you either die or get better.

Yes they should, it helps when you have a foot in the door.

And why should they be burdened with collective punishment? Why do you keen of supporting this notion of Muslim guilt, while many Muslims rightly do not consider themselves guilty for promoting acts of terrorism, let alone committing them? Moreover, why do we not apply them upon other demographic groups, considering that many people are already outraged over the notion of "White guilt", even though no serious proposal regarding it is as extreme as your option?

[Donut section]

You can only be fucked up for so long, you either die or get better.

Yes they should, it helps when you have a foot in the door.

"""fucked up"""

yeah because all muslims are bloodthirsty terrorists who kill and eat babies alive amirite? get 'em muzzies out of my country, harr harr!

I covered that on like the previous page. You must read worsed than I do to have missed it.

[Randsbeik]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

What's the official, universal waiting period before we can discuss the reason behind a tragedy and suggest solutions?

This isn't "using the dead" to promote an agenda. It's seeing that people are dying and wanting to change that. If your friend's car breaks and you suggest fixes, are you using their car breaking as an excuse to say "check the car battery"?

[Donut section]

You can only be fucked up for so long, you either die or get better.

Yes they should, it helps when you have a foot in the door.

And why should they be burdened with collective punishment? Why do you keen of supporting this notion of Muslim guilt, while many Muslims rightly do not consider themselves guilty for promoting acts of terrorism, let alone committing them? Moreover, why do we not apply them upon other demographic groups, considering that many people are already outraged over the notion of "White guilt", even though no serious proposal regarding it is as extreme as your option?

Because Islamic extremism is a solely Muslim problem.

Like I can't remember the last time a Buddhist blew up a concert for Alah

[Vassenor]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

What's the official, universal waiting period before we can discuss the reason behind a tragedy and suggest solutions?

This isn't "using the dead" to promote an agenda. It's seeing that people are dying and wanting to change that. If your friend's car breaks and you suggest fixes, are you using their car breaking as an excuse to say "check the car battery"?

Funny how those solutions always involve deporting people who had nothing to do with what happened.

[Darussalam]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

There are some such as myself who have no interest in xenophobic nonsense such as deportation but who would like the government do much, much more to combat terrorism. How many more attacks and deaths will have to arise before maybe, just maybe, Parliament decides a tougher approach will be needed?

I believe I have said this before, but I think there's quite a difference between simply deporting all suspected Muhammads (and establishing an extensive infrastructure only for that purpose, no less!) and actually implementing policies such as repressing extremist teachings or cooperating with Muslim communities, especially considering that said communities often do not hesitate in notifying authorities over potential threatening individuals.

[Ishraqistan]

"""fucked up"""

yeah because all muslims are bloodthirsty terrorists who kill and eat babies alive amirite? get 'em muzzies out of my country, harr harr!

I covered that on like the previous page. You must read worsed than I do to have missed it.

Your logic is essentially that.

[Donut section]

What's the official, universal waiting period before we can discuss the reason behind a tragedy and suggest solutions?

This isn't "using the dead" to promote an agenda. It's seeing that people are dying and wanting to change that. If your friend's car breaks and you suggest fixes, are you using their car breaking as an excuse to say "check the car battery"?

Funny how those solutions always involve deporting people who had nothing to do with what happened.

Nothing to do with except share the same culture/religion/ideas that are the cause to begin with.

[Darussalam]

And why should they be burdened with collective punishment? Why do you keen of supporting this notion of Muslim guilt, while many Muslims rightly do not consider themselves guilty for promoting acts of terrorism, let alone committing them? Moreover, why do we not apply them upon other demographic groups, considering that many people are already outraged over the notion of "White guilt", even though no serious proposal regarding it is as extreme as your option?

Because Islamic extremism is a solely Muslim problem.

Like I can't remember the last time a Buddhist blew up a concert for Alah

I'm not seeing any logical connection between your statement and mine. I think it's already patently obvious that Islamic extremism isn't a Christian problem.

[Vassenor]

Funny how those solutions always involve deporting people who had nothing to do with what happened.

Nothing to do with except share the same culture/religion/ideas that are the cause to begin with.

So why didn't we deport all the Catholics during the 70s?

[Ishraqistan]

And why should they be burdened with collective punishment? Why do you keen of supporting this notion of Muslim guilt, while many Muslims rightly do not consider themselves guilty for promoting acts of terrorism, let alone committing them? Moreover, why do we not apply them upon other demographic groups, considering that many people are already outraged over the notion of "White guilt", even though no serious proposal regarding it is as extreme as your option?

Because Islamic extremism is a solely Muslim problem.

Like I can't remember the last time a Buddhist blew up a concert for Alah

I can remember the last time Christian terrorists killed Hindus over where I live.

Or when Hindus killed Muslims (and vice versa, but you get my point) during the Gujarat riots.

Or when the Christian Lord's Army terrorized the the Ugandans.

Or when Buddhist Burmans repressed the Muslim Rohingyas in Burma.

See a pattern here?

[Donut section]

Nothing to do with except share the same culture/religion/ideas that are the cause to begin with.

So why didn't we deport all the Catholics during the 70s?

Probably because the countries belonged to their catholic population for as long or longer than its other population.

[Randsbeik]

What's the official, universal waiting period before we can discuss the reason behind a tragedy and suggest solutions?

This isn't "using the dead" to promote an agenda. It's seeing that people are dying and wanting to change that. If your friend's car breaks and you suggest fixes, are you using their car breaking as an excuse to say "check the car battery"?

Funny how those solutions always involve deporting people who had nothing to do with what happened.

Where did I say that?

I can't speak for anyone else, but my own suggestions have nothing to do with deporting people en masse. But when people are very clearly advocating violence and have ties to violent groups, something must be done if you want to prevent a disaster. The only people I'd even justify deportation against are confirmed potential terrorists.

[Corrian]

You know just once I'd like to see an incident like this where people don't immediately grab the dead and parade them around as justifications for their xenophobic bullcrap before they're even cold.

There are some such as myself who have no interest in xenophobic nonsense such as deportation but who would like the government do much, much more to combat terrorism. How many more attacks and deaths will have to arise before maybe, just maybe, Parliament decides a tougher approach will be needed?

Pretty sure we're bombing the shit out of ISIS already. What else are we supposed to do?

[Donut section]

Because Islamic extremism is a solely Muslim problem.

Like I can't remember the last time a Buddhist blew up a concert for Alah

I can remember the last time Christian terrorists killed Hindus over where I live.

Or when Hindus killed Muslims (and vice versa, but you get my point) during the Gujarat riots.

Or when the Christian Lord's Army terrorized the the Ugandans.

Or when Buddhist Burmans repressed the Muslim Rohingyas in Burma.

See a pattern here?

Yeah there's a string of ideas in non western countries that need to sort themselves out.

[Darussalam]

Because Islamic extremism is a solely Muslim problem.

Like I can't remember the last time a Buddhist blew up a concert for Alah

I can remember the last time Christian terrorists killed Hindus over where I live.

Or when Hindus killed Muslims (and vice versa, but you get my point) during the Gujarat riots.

Or when the Christian Lord's Army terrorized the the Ugandans.

Or when Buddhist Burmans repressed the Muslim Rohingyas in Burma.

See a pattern here?

In all fairness, these problems do not concern Europe and European populace in the slightest. Hence why there is minimum coverage and outrage over even larger deaths caused by terror attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Egypt, or any serious call for Muslim deportation from said areas.