Van hits 6 on London bridge.

[Donut section]

I'd get on your topic.
Wink wink nudge nudge.
I don't think anyone else will fit.


Anywho

Deport becomes an option when?

Depends on whether there's any still living culprits out there who happen not to be British citizens.

Or we can accept it's a cultural issue, probably caused by a religion in dire need of a reformation.

[Corrian]

Especially with resistance.

Sounds like you all want to create a different form of terrorism.

Also sounds like you want to sentence more people to death then actually die in these terrorist attacks by deporting them for that matter.

[Torrocca]

Depends on whether there's any still living culprits out there who happen not to be British citizens.

Or we can accept it's a cultural issue, probably caused by a religion in dire need of a reformation.

Or we can realize it's actually not because these are radical individuals doing this, not Muslims on the whole.

One person doesn't represent a billion people, after all.

[Liriena]

Deport becomes an option when?

Never, it's just not feasible, deport all Muslims in the UK.. neither logistically nor legally possible.

Besides, it's just plain evil and stupid. It's not what a reasonable, mature society would do. It's what a childish, kneejerk society with poor self-restraint would do.

[Corrian]

If they did, we'd all be fucked already.

[Donut section]

Or we can accept it's a cultural issue, probably caused by a religion in dire need of a reformation.

Or we can realize it's actually not because these are radical individuals doing this, not Muslims on the whole.

One person doesn't represent a billion people, after all.

How many of the other religious groups from the same area blow other people up?

[Kubra]

the meme doesn't work if you don't use fefe

This isn't a shit post. It's a fact. A fact is a fact, no matter how offended you are

cmon man this is basic
it doesn't work if you don't use fefe
I don't make memes, I just use em, that's just the convention.

[Torrocca]

Or we can realize it's actually not because these are radical individuals doing this, not Muslims on the whole.

One person doesn't represent a billion people, after all.

How many of the other religious groups from the same area blow other people up?

Again, one person doesn't represent a billion people.

Unless you want to explain acts of radical Christian terrorism as a problem of all of Christianity too.

[Donut section]

This isn't a shit post. It's a fact. A fact is a fact, no matter how offended you are

cmon man this is basic
it doesn't work if you don't use fefe
I don't make memes, I just use em, that's just the convention.

Normie spotted


Reeeeeeeeeerreeeeeee

[Bombadil]

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

I usually give eyewitness reports more faith, but given how many times people have falsely said that someone said "allahu ackbar" or some pledge to ISIS or whatever, I'm not very confident in this report.

I would say given the nature of the attack it's almost certainly a terrorist attack, whether it's immigrants or natural born is a question though typically it's natural born.

Still, again, framing it as an attack on the West isn't correct, try telling India through the centuries it's an attack on the West.. if Islam had never arisen this would still likely be an issue, it would be evil Zoroastrians.

[Liriena]

Depends on whether there's any still living culprits out there who happen not to be British citizens.

Or we can accept it's a cultural issue, probably caused by a religion in dire need of a reformation.

I feel like you don't have a perspective that's comprehensive enough to start making sweeping suggestions about culture and religion. The way you phrase it just reeks of aggressively shallow pseudo-anthropological propaganda passing for observation.

I'm not saying you clearly lack the competence to talk about "cultural issues" and "religious reformation". I'm just saying it looks like it.

[Donut section]

Or we can accept it's a cultural issue, probably caused by a religion in dire need of a reformation.

I feel like you don't have a perspective that's comprehensive enough to start making sweeping suggestions about culture and religion. The way you phrase it just reeks of aggressively shallow pseudo-anthropological propaganda passing for observation.

News just in we can ignore people who have the wrong political perspective.

[Corrian]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

So good job, you just make an endless cycle of things by demonizing them all.

There is a reason why ISIS endorsed Trump, after all. He's a great recruiting tool for them.

[Kubra]

cmon man this is basic
it doesn't work if you don't use fefe
I don't make memes, I just use em, that's just the convention.

Normie spotted


Reeeeeeeeeerreeeeeee

oh fuk cover blown

[Donut section]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

So good job, you just make an endless cycle of things by demonizing them all.

There is a reason why ISIS endorsed Trump, after all. He's a great recruiting tool for them.

It might not always come out this way. But I'm more of a Islam is bad, as in it allows, somehow, to consistently produce radicalised people. And this,whatever it is, that is a part of it, its killing people who have been generous. So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

[Corrian]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

So good job, you just make an endless cycle of things by demonizing them all.

There is a reason why ISIS endorsed Trump, after all. He's a great recruiting tool for them.

It might not always come out this way. But I'm more of a Islam is bad, as in it allows, somehow, to consistently produce radicalised people. And this,whatever it is, that is a part of it, its killing people who have been generous. So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

*Shrug* They're just the currently radicalized one. Though the biggest issue in the US is still right wing terrorism from what I heard. Or your fellow Americans with guns.

Honestly its just a cycle of bad shit. A lot of it fueled by these countries foreign policies causing these problems in the first place over there. Its just the current flavor of extremism, and likely will pass eventually and be replaced with the new set of extremism from whatever shit we cause next.

[Liriena]

I feel like you don't have a perspective that's comprehensive enough to start making sweeping suggestions about culture and religion. The way you phrase it just reeks of aggressively shallow pseudo-anthropological propaganda passing for observation.

News just in we can ignore people who have the wrong political perspective.

News' just in: saying "it's a cultural issue" is one of the most painfully, stupidly obvious observations you can make. Of bloody course it's a cultural issue. Nobody with the flimsiest notion of culture thinks that a phenonemon like terrorism could not have cultural implications. The question is not whether it's a cultural issue, but within which culture exactly the problem lies, and where in it, and what internal and external factors are at play.

You might be wont to say "Muslim culture" and leave it at that, but that would not even qualify as bad anthropology. You might also be wont to say "Middle Eastern culture", and look even more foolish as soon as we started to take a closer look.

If you're going to talk about cultural issues underlying terrorism, I do hope you're going to apply at least a modicum of nuance and leave whatever shallow otherization you've got on your sleeve at the door.

Same goes for "religious reformation". How much do you actually know about Islamic doctrine, Islamic history, and the state of the Islamic faith as a whole? Do you really think you are qualified to preach about reforms to the entire Islamic faith?

[Darussalam]

So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

Why will the former necessarily lead to the latter? Why do you consider deporting all Muslims in any way a feasible, realistic option? Do you think high-income, well-educated, or assimilated liberal Muslims should be included? How would you accomplish such task?

[Liriena]

So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

Again: childish.

"Move them back", as in displace millions of innocent people, including people born and raised in Great Britain. Infantile. The political equivalent of: "This game is too hard and complicated, so I'm kicking the whole board into the air and smashing the pieces."

[Corrian]

Guarantee that approach creates a different form of terrorism.

[Liriena]

So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

Why will the former necessarily lead to the latter? Why do you consider deporting all Muslims in any way a feasible, realistic option? Do you think high-income, well-educated, or assimilated liberal Muslims should be included? How would you accomplish such task?

Doesn't matter. It's not a realistic proposition. It's not a thought-through policy. It's just emotional, a political tantrum. There is no depth or reason to it, just immature lashing out.

[Bombadil]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

So good job, you just make an endless cycle of things by demonizing them all.

There is a reason why ISIS endorsed Trump, after all. He's a great recruiting tool for them.

It might not always come out this way. But I'm more of a Islam is bad, as in it allows, somehow, to consistently produce radicalised people. And this,whatever it is, that is a part of it, its killing people who have been generous. So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

Any 'us and them' tool can be used to radicalise, in the bullying thread someone noted the Blue-Eyes-Brown-Eyes experiment.

This is not to say that Islam isn't a threat to Western Europe and the predominant cause of current terrorism, but then I guess they might say Christianity is a threat to them given history..

Anyway, the debate over Islam is irrelevant really, the question is how do we balance between security in the short term and engaging with communities over the longer term to these kinds of attacks.. I would love to see a far greater number of Muslims in the police force to foster greater communication.

[The Alma Mater]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

Is that an assumption resulting from projecting your own feelings and thoughts on them and assuming they are just like you, or actual fact ?

[Donut section]

It might not always come out this way. But I'm more of a Islam is bad, as in it allows, somehow, to consistently produce radicalised people. And this,whatever it is, that is a part of it, its killing people who have been generous. So maybe move them back so they can sort themselves out.

*Shrug* They're just the currently radicalized one. Though the biggest issue in the US is still right wing terrorism from what I heard. Or your fellow Americans with guns.

Honestly its just a cycle of bad shit. A lot of it fueled by these countries foreign policies causing these problems in the first place over there. Its just the current flavor of extremism, and likely will pass eventually and be replaced with the new set of extremism from whatever shit we cause next.

I'm an Australian. I am looking to move to the states, but when I save more money.

I know cycles of bad shit, was homeless on drugs for near a decade. Trying to help in that situation I've only seen hurt. You need to fix it yourself. You can only ever fix it yourself.

[Darussalam]

Also the rhetoric of "all Muslims are bad" does, you guessed it, radicalize them further and makes more terrorists.

Is that an assumption resulting from projecting your own feelings and thoughts on them and assuming they are just like you, or actual fact ?

It's not strictly true that radicalization is caused by active alienation and discrimination against Muslims. Nevertheless, that does not necessarily make the latter desirable. It's certainly also untrue that many Islamist groups will not (and do not) use such problems to further highlight the segregation between Muslim community and the rest of the Western world.