Van hits 6 on London bridge.

[Bombadil]

If not Islam.. Persia and the Middle East are literally at the centre of history in a sense, surrounded by Europeans to the North, Slavs, then India and China to the East with Africa below. It's only natural that their land will be infringed on and they in turn infringe on other lands over history.. the edges have been points of conflict for millennia.

It's like that game Diplomacy.. being Germany was a pain given you were surrounded.

[Ambarii]

Who decides what extremism is?

Any ideology that incites public disorder, violence, or hostility between citizens is extremism.

How long are they incarcerated?

Long enough until they learn their lesson about what's acceptable to express in public. For those that persist however, and have significant power in society, you would want to destroy them politically by bankrupting them in a lawsuit.

Does it only apply to Islam or does it apply to other religions as well?

Why would it only apply to Islam?

What about extreme political positions like those on the far right and far left?

As I said, those that incite public disorder, violence, and hostility amongst citizens should be locked up. For example, communists advocating class war should be put in jail. The same should happen to fascists advocating race war.

There's a fucking huge potential for abuse there.

In your eyes maybe.

Reposting for WRA, in case this gets lost.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

...not sure "serial killers" qualify as an ideology.

Neither does "facism"...

....

I have a link for this....


Haha: facist serial killer
https://youtu.be/LCQSpzjHxpQ

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Well... It is highly unlikely it was UKIP extremists. One can reject generalizing without being borderline ignorantly naive.

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

[Gauthier]

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Time to deport all Muslims!

[Mattopilos II]

You act like it is only one ideology that exists that does this, or that all ideologies that do that are not accepted.

Islamic fundamentalism is the largest and deadliest form of terrorism in the world today, by a long shot. The appeal to not just Islamists, is pretty fallacious at this point.

Well, you would be mistaken if you thought I was making that appeal.

[Corrian]

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

And pretending that it is something unrelated to Islamic terrorism doesn't either. It's probably a Jihadist attack, and no, that does not mean that all Muslims are Jihadists or even Islamists. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not even pretending its something else.

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Don't tend to trust random witness reports considering how freaking wrong people got it in the past.

Though still likely.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Time to deport all Muslims!

That's a bit hasty

[Donut section]

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Time to deport all Muslims!

+1

[Ambarii]

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Time to deport all Muslims¡

You've said we should deport all muslims sarcastically more times than people have suggested it legitimately in this thread.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Time to deport all Muslims¡

You've said we should deport all muslims sarcastically more times than people have suggested it legitimately in this thread.

To be fair, I did posit the question of how many more have to die before we consider the option

[Lady Scylla]

If not Islam.. Persia and the Middle East are literally at the centre of history in a sense, surrounded by Europeans to the North, Slavs, then India and China to the East with Africa below. It's only natural that their land will be infringed on and they in turn infringe on other lands over history.. the edges have been points of conflict for millennia.

It's like that game Diplomacy.. being Germany was a pain given you were surrounded.

That's, like, any region involving land anywhere.

[Lady Scylla]

And pretending that it is something unrelated to Islamic terrorism doesn't either. It's probably a Jihadist attack, and no, that does not mean that all Muslims are Jihadists or even Islamists. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not even pretending its something else.

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

Don't tend to trust random witness reports considering how freaking wrong people got it in the past.

Though still likely.

12 Angry Men

[Donut section]

If not Islam.. Persia and the Middle East are literally at the centre of history in a sense, surrounded by Europeans to the North, Slavs, then India and China to the East with Africa below. It's only natural that their land will be infringed on and they in turn infringe on other lands over history.. the edges have been points of conflict for millennia.

It's like that game Diplomacy.. being Germany was a pain given you were surrounded.

That's, like, any region involving land anywhere.

Antarctica.

[Lady Scylla]

That's, like, any region involving land anywhere.

Antarctica.

Gives you the 'Resident Smartass Badge'

[Bombadil]

If not Islam.. Persia and the Middle East are literally at the centre of history in a sense, surrounded by Europeans to the North, Slavs, then India and China to the East with Africa below. It's only natural that their land will be infringed on and they in turn infringe on other lands over history.. the edges have been points of conflict for millennia.

It's like that game Diplomacy.. being Germany was a pain given you were surrounded.

That's, like, any region involving land anywhere.

Not really, if you consider cultures then Persian/Arabian culture is at the centre given the landmass of Eurasia/Africa. They border all other cultures.

[Donut section]

Antarctica.

Gives you the 'Resident Smartass Badge'

Woo free stuff!!!!!

Take that capitalism, see socialism works!

[Zanera]

Gives you the 'Resident Smartass Badge'

Woo free stuff!!!!!

Take that capitalism, see socialism works!

Only works in Antarctica though.

[Lady Scylla]

Woo free stuff!!!!!

Take that capitalism, see socialism works!

Only works in Antarctica though.

Only redeemable in Antarctica, rates may apply*

[Ambarii]

Why don't we all get back on topic?

[Donut section]

Why don't we all get back on topic?

I'd get on your topic.
Wink wink nudge nudge.
I don't think anyone else will fit.


Anywho

Deport becomes an option when?

[Liriena]

Why don't we all get back on topic?

I'd get on your topic.
Wink wink nudge nudge.
I don't think anyone else will fit.


Anywho

Deport becomes an option when?

Depends on whether there's any still living culprits out there who happen not to be British citizens.

[Bombadil]

Deport becomes an option when?

Never, it's just not feasible, deport all Muslims in the UK.. neither logistically nor legally possible.

[Wallenburg]

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

Witnesses report them shouting "this for allah." So unless the Copts or Syriac orthodox suddenly decided to get squirrely, we know who did this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ople-mown/

I usually give eyewitness reports more faith, but given how many times people have falsely said that someone said "allahu ackbar" or some pledge to ISIS or whatever, I'm not very confident in this report.

[Nocturnalis]

Deport becomes an option when?

When Western Europe finally learns what (South-)Eastern Europe knew for centuries.