Van hits 6 on London bridge.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Race or ethnicity doesn't matter. The religion of these scumbags is Islam. They were Muslims. The problem here is Islamic findamebtalism

Race does matter. Ethnicity does matter. Religion does matter. They all fucking matter.

I think you're missing the point

[Corrian]

Do you mind elaborating for those not exactly well read on this "Enoch"?

Enoch Powell was a Conservative politician whose career effectively ended in the late 1960s when he made a speech commonly known as the "Rivers of Blood" which predicted the rise of conflict and bloodshed from continued immigration to the United Kingdom.

...Now if any of this involved actual immigration...

[Australian rePublic]

Race or ethnicity doesn't matter. The religion of these scumbags is Islam. They were Muslims. The problem here is Islamic findamebtalism

the meme doesn't work if you don't use fefe

This isn't a shit post. It's a fact. A fact is a fact, no matter how offended you are

[Mattopilos II]

Wonder what the future holds, it doesn't look good to me.

It will be like always. There will likely be a real shitty period, things will get better for a while, then it will all go to shit again a few decades from now due to the next crisis.

Even in moments of peace, manufactroversies will appear, so fun ahead.

[Olerand]

He was 56 when he made that speech. Quite a few decades past the "edgy" stage of life.

Oh... so into the grumpy old man stage of life.

Not quite there yet either. He was just a Tory in the 60s.
Came back as an Ulster Unionist after being kicked out of the Conservative Party, but never really mattered much after then, considering that he was Health Minister in the early 60s.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

idk man I mean people like to call britain a surveillance state but not looking at a young male who travelled alone to Libya is a pretty serious oversight
like the dude could be named Sir Douglas Melville III but if he under 30 and going to Libya without being employed by VICE it sends a bit of a message

Mhm.

im assuming the white supremacist blogger

Who? I thought they meant Enoch Powell.

They did. But when I googled it, I came across Mike Enoch, a white supremacist blogger.

[Mattopilos II]

the meme doesn't work if you don't use fefe

This isn't a shit post. It's a fact. A fact is a fact, no matter how offended you are

If you have to bring in the "Offended" point as an argument, you are probably offended.

[Olerand]

Enoch Powell was a Conservative politician whose career effectively ended in the late 1960s when he made a speech commonly known as the "Rivers of Blood" which predicted the rise of conflict and bloodshed from continued immigration to the United Kingdom.

...Now if any of this involved actual immigration...

Do you mean that this could be an ethnic English who converted? Yes, that is also possible.

[Mattopilos II]

Race does matter. Ethnicity does matter. Religion does matter. They all fucking matter.

I think you're missing the point

If you could explain the point that was hidden in that... comment (if you could call it that?), that would be great.

[Olerand]

Mhm.


Who? I thought they meant Enoch Powell.

They did. But when I googled it, I came across Mike Enoch, a white supremacist blogger.

Lovely. Thank God I knew of him before I had to google. Very unfortunate to fall across stuff like that on the internet.

[Australian rePublic]

This isn't a shit post. It's a fact. A fact is a fact, no matter how offended you are

If you have to bring in the "Offended" point as an argument, you are probably offended.

I am offended that such an evil ideology allows so many people to be killed

[Mattopilos II]

If you have to bring in the "Offended" point as an argument, you are probably offended.

I am offended that such an evil ideology allows so many people to be killed

You act like it is only one ideology that exists that does this, or that all ideologies that do that are not accepted.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I think you're missing the point

If you could explain the point that was hidden in that... comment (if you could call it that?), that would be great.

I may be giving them too much credit, but they appeared to be pointing out that the conflict here isn't inherently racial or ethnic. It's not about Europeans vs Arabs. The conflict is ideological. It's a conflict between a western liberal culture that has unmoored its moral and cultural azmuth from collective religious ideologies, and an estern Islamic ideology that regulates every facet of human life.


Said poster was thus making the point that the race/ethnicity of the perpetrators is not the problem, it's the ideology to which they subscribe.

[Ambarii]

Who decides what extremism is?

Any ideology that incites public disorder, violence, or hostility between citizens is extremism.

How long are they incarcerated?

Long enough until they learn their lesson about what's acceptable to express in public. For those that persist however, and have significant power in society, you would want to destroy them politically by bankrupting them in a lawsuit.

Does it only apply to Islam or does it apply to other religions as well?

Why would it only apply to Islam?

What about extreme political positions like those on the far right and far left?

As I said, those that incite public disorder, violence, and hostility amongst citizens should be locked up. For example, communists advocating class war should be put in jail. The same should happen to fascists advocating race war.

There's a fucking huge potential for abuse there.

In your eyes maybe.

[Australian rePublic]

I am offended that such an evil ideology allows so many people to be killed

You act like it is only one ideology that exists that does this, or that all ideologies that do that are not accepted.

No it's not. I am also against communism, facism, serial killers, physcotic dictatorships, NAZIsm, etc. And those ideologies aren't accepted

[The Greater Aryan Race]

The UK used to have criminal conspiracy as a common law offence but since the Criminal Law Act 1977, only two forms of conspiracy have been retained: conspiracy to defraud, and that of conspiracy to corrupt public morals or to outrage public decency. Otherwise,attempted terrorism as an offence remains governed by the common law on attempts (which is seriously problematic enough already).

If there is to be a new criminal conspiracy offence for terrorism, Parliament must legislate accordingly.

That's really funny. The UK still has a law against corrupting public morals and outraging public decency, but doesn't have one against promoting/excusing terrorism. Very... Quaint.

To be fair, the closest equivalent they have is conspiracy to murder and the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015. But these don't go far enough.

[Bombadil]

If you could explain the point that was hidden in that... comment (if you could call it that?), that would be great.

I may be giving them too much credit, but they appeared to be pointing out that the conflict here isn't inherently racial or ethnic. It's not about Europeans vs Arabs. The conflict is ideological. It's a conflict between a western liberal culture that has unmoored its moral and cultural azmuth from collective religious ideologies, and an estern Islamic ideology that regulates every facet of human life.


Said poster was thus making the point that the race/ethnicity of the perpetrators is not the problem, it's the ideology to which they subscribe.

Hard to say, the boundaries of the Mediterranean have been a flashpoint since time immemorial.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I am offended that such an evil ideology allows so many people to be killed

You act like it is only one ideology that exists that does this, or that all ideologies that do that are not accepted.

Islamic fundamentalism is the largest and deadliest form of terrorism in the world today, by a long shot. The appeal to not just Islamists, is pretty fallacious at this point.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

You act like it is only one ideology that exists that does this, or that all ideologies that do that are not accepted.

No it's not. I am also against communism, facism, serial killers, physcotic dictatorships, NAZIsm, etc. And those ideologies aren't accepted

...not sure "serial killers" qualify as an ideology.

[Ambarii]

No it's not. I am also against communism, facism, serial killers, physcotic dictatorships, NAZIsm, etc. And those ideologies aren't accepted

...not sure "serial killers" qualify as an ideology.

Neither does "facism"...

[Saikaya]

i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west

[Corrian]

i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west

...Has it even been mentioned at ALL who the attackers were yet?

[Olerand]

i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west

...Has it even been mentioned at ALL who the attackers were yet?

Well... It is highly unlikely it was UKIP extremists. One can reject generalizing without being borderline ignorantly naive.

[Corrian]

...Has it even been mentioned at ALL who the attackers were yet?

Well... It is highly unlikely it was UKIP extremists. One can reject generalizing without being borderline ignorantly naive.

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

[Olerand]

Well... It is highly unlikely it was UKIP extremists. One can reject generalizing without being borderline ignorantly naive.

Sure, its likely, but stating "i see islam continues to work its wonders in the west" as a response without us knowing ANYTHING about the people does not help.

And pretending that it is something unrelated to Islamic terrorism doesn't either. It's probably a Jihadist attack, and no, that does not mean that all Muslims are Jihadists or even Islamists. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.