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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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It was apparently 3 suspects.

What good are they if they can't stop 3 guys with knives?


They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.


They don't sound very useful. Britain plz
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.


They don't sound very useful. Britain plz

Conservatives downsizing police. That doesn't seem right
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:04 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was apparently 3 suspects.

What good are they if they can't stop 3 guys with knives?


They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.

Well it's hard for the police to get much public support with constant accusations of "militarization" and whatnot.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:05 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.

Well it's hard for the police to get much public support with constant accusations of "militarization" and whatnot.


The thin blue line here is not under attack from the people. Have you seen my flag?

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Postby Zanera » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:06 pm

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So...arrest people for suspected Islamic radicalization?


This is already being done. For holiday in Islamic State or tracking tours in Pakistani Terror-camps for example. And for lesser things.

In either case, the legal framework already exists in the UK and other european Countries and has been used in many cases.


There may be certain individuals who have not gone out of the country at any reasonably suspicious age that could have been identified, for certain, as having possibly terroristic intentions like those that may have gone to terror camps and such and came back. It might be unlawful to go and arrest people because they seem really disgruntled, and without being, for certain of their having real terrorist intentions.

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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:08 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ambarii wrote:Well it's hard for the police to get much public support with constant accusations of "militarization" and whatnot.


The thin blue line here is not under attack from the people. Have you seen my flag?

I wasn't aware you represented your entire country. But yes, I am from the US, so I guess I shouldn't have made an assumption about the UK like that.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:11 pm

Six people murdered, twenty injured, and three suspects dead. The suspects were wearing fake explosive vests.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:14 pm

I really don't have anything to say about this except once again repeat my utter hatred towards Jihadists.

Liriena wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:How about rounding up suspected jihadists for a few days until the UK election is over so they can't influence it?

Imprisonment without charges or trial?

I think in the US you can do that for at least 24 hours.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:15 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The thin blue line here is not under attack from the people. Have you seen my flag?

I wasn't aware you represented your entire country. But yes, I am from the US, so I guess I shouldn't have made an assumption about the UK like that.


It helps that we haven't been militarising our police. They're not even armed as a matter of course.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:16 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:I really don't have anything to say about this except once again repeat my utter hatred towards Jihadists.

Liriena wrote:Imprisonment without charges or trial?

I think in the US you can do that for at least 24 hours.


On terrorism charges you can hold people in the UK for 24 to 48 days.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:18 pm

Guardian Live-Ticker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ident-live

Response from the White House:

Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0036378624

We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5473406976
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:How about rounding up suspected jihadists for a few days until the UK election is over so they can't influence it?

Imprisonment without charges or trial?

It's not that ridiculous. Especially given the seriousness of everything that's been happening recently.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:22 pm

Nakena wrote:Guardian Live-Ticker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ident-live

Response from the White House:

Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0036378624

We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5473406976


So either the White House is chatting shit or the US has again leaked private information crucial to the investigation. Stay classy the Trump regime.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:22 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Liriena wrote:Imprisonment without charges or trial?

It's not that ridiculous. Especially given the seriousness of everything that's been happening recently.


Where are you from? What nation?

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:23 pm

Nakena wrote:Guardian Live-Ticker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ident-live

Response from the White House:

Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0036378624

We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5473406976

Leave it to Trump to use a terrorist attack in London by, as of yet, unidentified individuals, to try and argue in favor of his unconstitutional executive order.

Self-centered dickhead.
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:25 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ambarii wrote:It's not that ridiculous. Especially given the seriousness of everything that's been happening recently.


Where are you from? What nation?

The US. I don't really have any say in the matter since I don't live in the UK, but that's just my observation of what should happen.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:28 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Where are you from? What nation?

The US. I don't really have any say in the matter since I don't live in the UK, but that's just my observation of what should happen.


So you're American but think the US Constitution is a stupid document?

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Postby Zanera » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:29 pm

Nakena wrote:Guardian Live-Ticker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ident-live

Response from the White House:

Whatever the United States can do to help out in London and the U. K., we will be there - WE ARE WITH YOU. GOD BLESS!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0036378624

We need to be smart, vigilant and tough. We need the courts to give us back our rights. We need the Travel Ban as an extra level of safety!


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5473406976


I think by 'us' he means his administration. Maybe he thinks the courts are taking away his rights to instate a half-assed travel ban?
It also seems he forgot that the attack wasn't just something to push a political agenda with.

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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:33 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
They don't sound very useful. Britain plz

Conservatives downsizing police. That doesn't seem right


they're fighting the police, doctors, nurses, teachers and pensioners

at the same time

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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It was apparently 3 suspects.

What good are they if they can't stop 3 guys with knives?


They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.

Hasn't the crime rate fallen though?
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ambarii wrote:The US. I don't really have any say in the matter since I don't live in the UK, but that's just my observation of what should happen.


So you're American but think the US Constitution is a stupid document?

When did I say that? What I am suggesting wouldn't even be against the Constitution since it allows for the suspension of habeas corpus. But admittedly, yes, there are quite a few things I would change about the US Constitution. I don't think this is that unusual. For instance, their is quite a large movement of Americans that are opposed to the 2nd ammendment.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:41 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you're American but think the US Constitution is a stupid document?

When did I say that? IWhat I am suggesting wouldn't even be against the Constitution since it allows for the suspension of habeas corpus. But admittedly, yes, there are quite a few things I would change about the US Constitution. I don't think this is that unusual. For instance, their is quite a large movement of Americans that are opposed to the 2nd ammendment.


Name a time when internment in the US resulted in a good outcome.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:42 pm

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Well, in the US at least, I'm all in favor of cracking down on agribusiness that make killings off their illegal labor force. If we deported their workers, American farm workers would take those jobs, probably unionize, and be able to make a decent living. There's nothing wrong with that.

This is why Jeb Bush-type conservatives are the absolute worst on immigration. They actually support near-slave labor.

Except Americans wouldn't flood in to take those jobs, and the farmers wouldn't want to take them on. Long story short, migrants are better at things like farmwork than the average westerner. They've probably done it back home, and - on average (#NotAll) have a much stronger work ethic than a native. They have come to a different country to work, sometimes for illegally low wages.

Note how the Trump estate is continually filing migrant labour requests for their fucking wineries, when those could be "American jobs".
Even the Trumps know that Americans won't do the work, and they don't want them to because they'd have to pay a decent wage.

Capitalist exploitation.
This is before considering the inevitable issue of what happens when these crops can no longer be effectively or expediently picked.

You're god damn right.
Source: I worked as an agricultural field hand.
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:43 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you're American but think the US Constitution is a stupid document?

When did I say that? IWhat I am suggesting wouldn't even be against the Constitution since it allows for the suspension of habeas corpus. But admittedly, yes, there are quite a few things I would change about the US Constitution. I don't think this is that unusual. For instance, their is quite a large movement of Americans that are opposed to the 2nd ammendment.

And as a general concept, I believe the Constitution was a great document that established a more centralized and powerful federal government that the United States desperately needed

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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:45 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ambarii wrote:When did I say that? IWhat I am suggesting wouldn't even be against the Constitution since it allows for the suspension of habeas corpus. But admittedly, yes, there are quite a few things I would change about the US Constitution. I don't think this is that unusual. For instance, their is quite a large movement of Americans that are opposed to the 2nd ammendment.


Name a time when internment in the US resulted in a good outcome.

The Civil War.

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