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Zanera
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Postby Zanera » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:47 pm

Nakena wrote:
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I am not a Briton, nor have I been to Britain, so I loosely say that maybe Britons would rather not have certain liberties curtailed.


I agree with you actually.

Liberties in the west are curtailed since Years now for the entire population because of the politician's unwillingness to deal with a very small minority of extremist agitators and would be terrorists. Frankly, given the size of the islamist scene in UK but also on continental europe such as France or Belgium, it might by now a bigger problem.

One that is NOT going to be fixed by any more liberty curtailing.


So...arrest people for suspected Islamic radicalization?

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:47 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:It was in a report complied on the torture victims and the conclusion was that nearly every woman tortured was raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs according to the committee.

But that's not a meme, huh?

The meme is about taking helicopters to flight and dropping people from a staggering height, not rape dogs.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:47 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Pretty sure you'd chuckle at a well executed Trotsky and ice axe joke.

Eh, I don't really like tankie stuff.

Not only tankies make those jokes.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:48 pm

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The Portland Territory wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

Not to be mean or anything...


Why? PCSOs are there to move along annoying teens and shout at you if you let your dog shit on the pavement. They're not full police officers. They don't have the same training, they don't have the same equipment and the don't have to power of arrest.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:49 pm

We should probably make another thread for ethics in memes.
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:49 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/london-citizens-throw-chairs-terrorists-unarmed-police-ran-away/

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>Unarmed British police

No wonder they would rather look for "hate speech" online.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:49 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Liriena wrote:Not to be mean or anything...


Why? PCSOs are there to move along annoying teens and shout at you if you let your dog shit on the pavement. They're not full police officers. They don't have the same training, they don't have the same equipment and the don't have to power of arrest.

I meant the source. I get what you mean.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:49 pm

Yeah, if they were PCSO's it's a bit different though they should still have been willing to put themselves between the attackers and civilians (if said story is true to begin with).

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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:50 pm

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Minzerland II wrote:Is there any evidence? I'm actually curious here.

It was in a report complied on the torture victims and the conclusion was that nearly every woman tortured was raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs according to the committee.

So, although there may have been incidents in which it actually happened, the conclusion that every woman who was tortured were raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs is just conjecture? Is that the case?
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:50 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/london-citizens-throw-chairs-terrorists-unarmed-police-ran-away/

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>Unarmed British police

No wonder they would rather look for "hate speech" online.

British police have never been routinely armed, the exception being the police in Northern Ireland once the Troubles began.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:50 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Liriena wrote:But that's not a meme, huh?

The meme is about taking helicopters to flight and dropping people from a staggering height, not rape dogs.

I know. That's the point.

I guess it's tougher to sympathetically trivialize that.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:50 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Liriena wrote:Not to be mean or anything...


Why? PCSOs are there to move along annoying teens and shout at you if you let your dog shit on the pavement. They're not full police officers. They don't have the same training, they don't have the same equipment and the don't have to power of arrest.

So basically demanding ushers be riot police.
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Postby Ambarii » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It was in a report complied on the torture victims and the conclusion was that nearly every woman tortured was raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs according to the committee.

But that's not a meme, huh?

Let's get back to talking about the terror attack, which is still happening right now by the way.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Zanera wrote:
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I agree with you actually.

Liberties in the west are curtailed since Years now for the entire population because of the politician's unwillingness to deal with a very small minority of extremist agitators and would be terrorists. Frankly, given the size of the islamist scene in UK but also on continental europe such as France or Belgium, it might by now a bigger problem.

One that is NOT going to be fixed by any more liberty curtailing.


So...arrest people for suspected Islamic radicalization?


This is already being done. For holiday in Islamic State or tracking tours in Pakistani Terror-camps for example. And for lesser things.

In either case, the legal framework already exists in the UK and other european Countries and has been used in many cases.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why? PCSOs are there to move along annoying teens and shout at you if you let your dog shit on the pavement. They're not full police officers. They don't have the same training, they don't have the same equipment and the don't have to power of arrest.

I meant the source. I get what you mean.


I didn't mean to reply to you :P

I meant to reply to Washington army guy.....

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/london-citizens-throw-chairs-terrorists-unarmed-police-ran-away/

Rut row

>Unarmed British police

No wonder they would rather look for "hate speech" online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_community_support_officer
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Why? PCSOs are there to move along annoying teens and shout at you if you let your dog shit on the pavement. They're not full police officers. They don't have the same training, they don't have the same equipment and the don't have to power of arrest.

So basically demanding ushers be riot police.


It was apparently 3 suspects.

What good are they if they can't stop 3 guys with knives?
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:51 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It was in a report complied on the torture victims and the conclusion was that nearly every woman tortured was raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs according to the committee.

So, although there may have been incidents in which it actually happened, the conclusion that every woman who was tortured were raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs is just conjecture? Is that the case?

Yes, the conclusion is that female victims of the Pinochet regime were raped repeatedly as part of their ordeal and some were raped by trained dogs (among other methods).

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:52 pm

Ambarii wrote:
Liriena wrote:But that's not a meme, huh?

Let's get back to talking about the terror attack, which is still happening right now by the way.

Is it? Didn't see that in the BBC live updates.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The meme is about taking helicopters to flight and dropping people from a staggering height, not rape dogs.

I know. That's the point.

I guess it's tougher to sympathetically trivialize that.

It's a special kind of evil, what can I say.

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Postby Vallermoore » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:53 pm

How about rounding up suspected jihadists for a few days until the UK election is over so they can't influence it?

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Postby Minzerland II » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:54 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:So, although there may have been incidents in which it actually happened, the conclusion that every woman who was tortured were raped repeatedly and some were raped by dogs is just conjecture? Is that the case?

Yes, the conclusion is that female victims of the Pinochet regime were raped repeatedly as part of their ordeal and some were raped by trained dogs (among other methods).

Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gauthier wrote:So basically demanding ushers be riot police.


It was apparently 3 suspects.

What good are they if they can't stop 3 guys with knives?


They're good at shouting at you for letting your dog shit on the pavement or for moving people along.

This is what happens when people get pissy about paying tax so you have to have a second tier police force to deal with the small stuff because you can't afford enough full police officers. Blame the conservative government that has been downsizing the police force for the past 7 years.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:57 pm

Vallermoore wrote:How about rounding up suspected jihadists for a few days until the UK election is over so they can't influence it?

Imprisonment without charges or trial?
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