White supremacist murders two in Portland

[The East Marches II]

You are the one with the ridiculous argument that we should be REPRESSING people's right for thinking DIFFERENTLY from you. Their bullshit can be heard just as well as communist bullshit can also be heard. Respect other's people damn right to speak.

So let me get this clear, perfectly clear, because I think you're missing the key point here: what you want is for people, who believe in ideologies that advocate for murder, have murdered in the past to the point of genocide, and most certainly would do it again if they get a large enough foothold, to be able to tell people what their beliefs are and try to sway over impressionable people who might be conflicted in their own beliefs and end up siding with these same monsters?

Because if that's the case, then you very literally need to take a step back and reevaluate yourself, because you're advocating for people that somehow think slavery and genocide is an alright thing to do. And that's not alright.

Arguing that the law should be applied equally is clearly not alright

[The East Marches II]

Which communist tenants they didn't specifically follow from the manifesto?

Is it stateless? No, the USSR was totally a state, and was made up of states too.
Classless? Hahahaha, fuck no.
Workers owning the means of production? Considering they weren't really able to own anything without the government's permission (Even though they wouldn't have to deal with that in an actual communist society), I'm gonna go with no.

>It wasn't "real" Communism because it didn't mean my exacting specific definition

Oh boy, its this again :^)

[Torrocca]

So let me get this clear, perfectly clear, because I think you're missing the key point here: what you want is for people, who believe in ideologies that advocate for murder, have murdered in the past to the point of genocide, and most certainly would do it again if they get a large enough foothold, to be able to tell people what their beliefs are and try to sway over impressionable people who might be conflicted in their own beliefs and end up siding with these same monsters?

Because if that's the case, then you very literally need to take a step back and reevaluate yourself, because you're advocating for people that somehow think slavery and genocide is an alright thing to do. And that's not alright.

If people want to advocate for these shits than it's their damn right to do it.

Well, I see there's no good way to reason with you. Sorry that you feel it's somehow fine to support murderers to such a degree; I don't, nor will I ever.

[Uxupox]

If people want to advocate for these shits than it's their damn right to do it.

Well, I see there's no good way to reason with you. Sorry that you feel it's somehow fine to support murderers to such a degree; I don't, nor will I ever.

Nah you'd support oppressing these people.

"you can't be reasoned with because you believe in rights". damn tough rights of man.

[Torrocca]

So let me get this clear, perfectly clear, because I think you're missing the key point here: what you want is for people, who believe in ideologies that advocate for murder, have murdered in the past to the point of genocide, and most certainly would do it again if they get a large enough foothold, to be able to tell people what their beliefs are and try to sway over impressionable people who might be conflicted in their own beliefs and end up siding with these same monsters?

Because if that's the case, then you very literally need to take a step back and reevaluate yourself, because you're advocating for people that somehow think slavery and genocide is an alright thing to do. And that's not alright.

Arguing that the law should be applied equally is clearly not alright

Because Nazis would ever apply law equally. Because Fascists would ever apply law equally. Because White Supremacists would ever apply law equally.

They never would, so why should we apply it equally for them?

[Torrocca]

Well, I see there's no good way to reason with you. Sorry that you feel it's somehow fine to support murderers to such a degree; I don't, nor will I ever.

Nah you'd support oppressing these people.

Oh my God, those poor, innocent Nazis are being oppressed because people don't want them to be speaking! Woe is them!

Seriously, if you think Nazis being oppressed is some heinous crime against humanity, then that's fucking laughable knowing what they did.

[Uxupox]

So let me get this clear, perfectly clear, because I think you're missing the key point here: what you want is for people, who believe in ideologies that advocate for murder, have murdered in the past to the point of genocide, and most certainly would do it again if they get a large enough foothold, to be able to tell people what their beliefs are and try to sway over impressionable people who might be conflicted in their own beliefs and end up siding with these same monsters?

Because if that's the case, then you very literally need to take a step back and reevaluate yourself, because you're advocating for people that somehow think slavery and genocide is an alright thing to do. And that's not alright.

Arguing that the law should be applied equally is clearly not alright

Remember not all men are created equal.

[The East Marches II]

Arguing that the law should be applied equally is clearly not alright

Because Nazis would ever apply law equally. Because Fascists would ever apply law equally. Because White Supremacists would ever apply law equally.

They never would, so why should we apply it equally for them?

Why are you deserving of equality before the law? You advocate for much the same. Why should we extend it to you? What then is the purpose of these rights? Thats the part you are missing.

[The East Marches II]

Arguing that the law should be applied equally is clearly not alright

Remember not all men are created equal.

I forgot some are more equal than others.

[Torrocca]

Because Nazis would ever apply law equally. Because Fascists would ever apply law equally. Because White Supremacists would ever apply law equally.

They never would, so why should we apply it equally for them?

Why are you deserving of equality before the law? You advocate for much the same. Why should we extend it to you? What then is the purpose of these rights? Thats the part you are missing.

Well, for starters I don't advocate for ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big fucking difference between me and a Nazi.

[Greed and Death]

I can no longer dig into her Facebook. Otherwise I will come away believing alt right trans people are common.

[Uxupox]

Why are you deserving of equality before the law? You advocate for much the same. Why should we extend it to you? What then is the purpose of these rights? Thats the part you are missing.

Well, for starters I don't advocate for ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big fucking difference between me and a Nazi.

I don't know. Repressing the rights of others was right up there with them.

[Torrocca]

Well, for starters I don't advocate for ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big fucking difference between me and a Nazi.

I don't know. Repressing the rights of others was right up there with them.

Let's again just conveniently ignore the part where they advocate for murder.

[The East Marches II]

Why are you deserving of equality before the law? You advocate for much the same. Why should we extend it to you? What then is the purpose of these rights? Thats the part you are missing.

Well, for starters I don't advocate for ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big fucking difference between me and a Nazi.

Nah, just removal of the kulaks, totally different :^)

Taken as a package, you really aren't that different from old Hans. Its larping at this point. Its over, you both lost.

[Yortium Allanstan]

When are moderate right wingers going to condemn these extremists?

[The East Marches II]

I don't know. Repressing the rights of others was right up there with them.

Let's again just conveniently ignore the part where they advocate for murder.

So do you. What always happens to those class enemies?

[Torrocca]

Well, for starters I don't advocate for ethnic genocide. That's a pretty big fucking difference between me and a Nazi.

Nah, just removal of the kulaks, totally different :^)

Taken as a package, you really aren't that different from old Hans. Its larping at this point. Its over, you both lost.

Wow, I sure said somewhere that I want Kulaks dead. Yup.

[Torrocca]

When are moderate right wingers going to condemn these extremists?

Honestly, I don't think I've seen anyone here who calls themselves a moderate leaning right condemning this. I might be wrong there though.

[The East Marches II]

Nah, just removal of the kulaks, totally different :^)

Taken as a package, you really aren't that different from old Hans. Its larping at this point. Its over, you both lost.

Wow, I sure said somewhere that I want Kulaks dead. Yup.

You are so willing to paint those opposite of you with a wide brush, why should you not be held to account by the actions of your own ideological predecessors? I am merely holding to the same standard you are currently holding others.

[Torrocca]

Wow, I sure said somewhere that I want Kulaks dead. Yup.

You are so willing to paint those opposite of you with a wide brush, why should you not be held to account by the actions of your own ideological predecessors? I am merely holding to the same standard you are currently holding others.

Being a Marxist =/= wanting people dead or agreeing with ideologies that derived from Communism.

Also, it's painting a wide brush to call Nazis murderers? Jesus fucking Christ where did humanity go wrong.

[The East Marches II]

You are so willing to paint those opposite of you with a wide brush, why should you not be held to account by the actions of your own ideological predecessors? I am merely holding to the same standard you are currently holding others.

Being a Marxist =/= wanting people dead or agreeing with ideologies that derived from Communism.

Also, it's painting a wide brush to call Nazis murderers? Jesus fucking Christ where did humanity go wrong.

There are anti-racist Fascists. Why do you demand a special exemption yet are unwilling to do so for others? Its because you don't even believe in the idea that we are all equal before the law.

[Torrocca]

Being a Marxist =/= wanting people dead or agreeing with ideologies that derived from Communism.

Also, it's painting a wide brush to call Nazis murderers? Jesus fucking Christ where did humanity go wrong.

There are anti-racist Fascists. Why do you demand a special exemption yet are unwilling to do so for others? Its because you don't even believe in the idea that we are all equal before the law.

I don't believe Nazis, white supremacists or Fascists are equal before the law specifically. Everyone else is alright and actually deserving of equal rights because they, unlike those three types, don't seem to call for A) removal of democracy, B) genocide, or C) inequality for other races.

[The East Marches II]

There are anti-racist Fascists. Why do you demand a special exemption yet are unwilling to do so for others? Its because you don't even believe in the idea that we are all equal before the law.

I don't believe Nazis, white supremacists or Fascists are equal before the law specifically. Everyone else is alright and actually deserving of equal rights because they, unlike those three types, don't seem to call for A) removal of democracy, B) genocide, or C) inequality for other races.

Dictatorship of the Proletariat ring a bell? Holomodor? etcl. etc.

You say you are different and special but don't make that for the other side. As you said yourself, you don't believe everybody is equal before the law. That says more about your own ideology's failings than I ever could. GG no re.

[Yortium Allanstan]

When are moderate right wingers going to condemn these extremists?

Honestly, I don't think I've seen anyone here who calls themselves a moderate leaning right condemning this. I might be wrong there though.

All the right wingers in this thread have touted the 'this is bad but Islam is still evil tho' line. Kind of says a rather scary thing about where we are at politically...

[Torrocca]

I don't believe Nazis, white supremacists or Fascists are equal before the law specifically. Everyone else is alright and actually deserving of equal rights because they, unlike those three types, don't seem to call for A) removal of democracy, B) genocide, or C) inequality for other races.

Dictatorship of the Proletariat ring a bell? Holomodor? etcl. etc.

You say you are different and special but don't make that for the other side. As you said yourself, you don't believe everybody is equal before the law. That says more about your own ideology's failings than I ever could. GG no re.

Where'd I say that? I said that the only types not worthy of equal rights are Nazis, Fascists, and white supremacists. Again, everyone else is perfectly fine.