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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:26 pm

Satyrstone wrote:.....In European countries there is just as much ignorance about Islam and immigration as there is over here....By the way, all generalizations are false.

Fucking hell, did you even read what you wrote before you posted it?

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:31 pm

Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Querinos » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:35 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:Why should people with Parkinson's be treated any differently than others?...


Then why should the poster child of the Tea Party get upset over the "R" word?

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Postby Satyrstone » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:.....In European countries there is just as much ignorance about Islam and immigration as there is over here....By the way, all generalizations are false.

Fucking hell, did you even read what you wrote before you posted it?


Thanks for proving my point.
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Postby Satyrstone » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:39 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.


Take everything seriously, please.
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Postby Takaram » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:41 pm

Satyrstone wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.


Take everything seriously, please.


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Postby Satyrstone » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:42 pm

Takaram wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.


Take everything seriously, please.


Welcome to NationStates General


THANKS!!! :D

By take everything seriously, I meant lighten the f**k up.
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Postby Takaram » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:44 pm

Satyrstone wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.


Take everything seriously, please.


Welcome to NationStates General


THANKS!!! :D

By take everything seriously, I meant lighten the f**k up.


Yeah, I know. I was saying get used to it.

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Postby Satyrstone » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:45 pm

Takaram wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Satyrstone wrote:By the way, all generalizations are false.


Including the one you're making in this statement? No, they are not all false. That's ridiculous and makes no sense.


Take everything seriously, please.


Welcome to NationStates General


THANKS!!! :D

By take everything seriously, I meant lighten the f**k up.


Yeah, I know. I was saying get used to it.


I refuse, lol. But the f-bomb was not directed at you.
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:02 pm

I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:05 pm

Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.
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Postby Querinos » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:06 pm

Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.


Texas is too viable and resource rich for the US to allow that. How about Alabama?

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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Takaram » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:09 pm

Querinos wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.


Texas is too viable and resource rich for the US to allow that. How about Alabama?


Mississippi

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:11 pm

Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:12 pm

Takaram wrote:
Querinos wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.


Texas is too viable and resource rich for the US to allow that. How about Alabama?


Mississippi


Put them in Florida, cut it off the continent and set it adrift. I'm sure the American government won't mind having to spend more money on a state where 900% of its citizens are on SSI.
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:14 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:15 pm

Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?


Pobre México, tan lejos de dios, y tan cercas a Estados Unidos
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Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:24 pm

Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?


Pobre México, tan lejos de dios, y tan cercas a Estados Unidos

Muchas gracias. Now, where were we? Oh, right, sending you all our xenophobes. You don't have to keep them, you could send them on to Guatamala or some place farther south.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?


Pobre México, tan lejos de dios, y tan cercas a Estados Unidos

Muchas gracias. Now, where were we? Oh, right, sending you all our xenophobes. You don't have to keep them, you could send them on to Guatamala or some place farther south.

Why so that they could illegally immigrate back to Mexico?

Sounds like a good idea. Can we shoot them if they try to cross over?
Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:29 pm

Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?


Pobre México, tan lejos de dios, y tan cercas a Estados Unidos

Muchas gracias. Now, where were we? Oh, right, sending you all our xenophobes. You don't have to keep them, you could send them on to Guatamala or some place farther south.

Why so that they could illegally immigrate back to Mexico?

Sounds like a good idea. Can we shoot them if they try to cross over?

It's not my place to tell you how to run your country, and advocating violence would be wrong.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

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Ixzara
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Postby Ixzara » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:33 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Ixzara wrote:I have an Idea, get all your teabaggers together, and confine them to the borders of one state, and then build a fence around it, and call it Texas!!!! That way they can have everything they want, and leave the rest of the civilized world alone.

Or we could send them to Juarez, where they'd soon show the drug lords who's in charge.


Hell no. America wanted Texas, and now it's a breeding ground for xenophobic, rednecks. You can keep all your trouble makers on your side of the border.

You're no fun at all, are you? One little war, one little cross-border incursion, one little coastal city occupied and all of a sudden you're all "No, no, we don't want any."

We lost California, now we're going to punish you for it! MWAHAHAHAH.....*Cough, cough* Ahem....Where was I? Oh yea, MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

*hands Ixzara some water*

So, Porfirio Diaz said, "Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States" (though I hear he might not have said it, too). How does that go in Spanish?


Pobre México, tan lejos de dios, y tan cercas a Estados Unidos

Muchas gracias. Now, where were we? Oh, right, sending you all our xenophobes. You don't have to keep them, you could send them on to Guatamala or some place farther south.

Why so that they could illegally immigrate back to Mexico?

Sounds like a good idea. Can we shoot them if they try to cross over?

It's not my place to tell you how to run your country, and advocating violence would be wrong.

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Norstal wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Fact, the best President in history was white. Fact, that proves white people are better at being president. Duh.

But since we all came from Africa, it's a known fact that the best president is an African.
So we need a white African. And we have Obama! Har har har har.


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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

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Postby Uawc » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:34 pm

The right is devoid of empathy and compassion for other human beings. That is all.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:36 pm

UAWC wrote:The right is devoid of empathy and compassion for other human beings. That is all.

And the left seems bent on making the right feel empathy and compassion.
Let instead the left pay for its compassion and let the right create those in need of such compassion via industrial accidents and the like.
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