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Postby Saiwania » Fri May 26, 2017 8:37 am

It goes without saying that no one wants to be poor, that means you are very restricted in what you're able to do financially. In any economy, it seems that there will be haves and have nots. The haves can live life more easily, provided they live within their means and have ways of preserving that wealth, such as the ownership of assets which bring in passive income. The have nots, have to focus most of their energies on merely surviving and consequently, they don't enjoy any good quality of life, they often die earlier, and that is truly a pity.

What is the best means of becoming wealthy in your opinion, statistically speaking?

I think it might lie with investing in the stock market. What I'm inspired by is Ronald Read, who was a janitor who was low income for most of his entire life, only earning $12/hour at J.C. Penny's but managed to build a fortune of $8 million before he passed away at 92 years of age.

If he spent his money like ordinary people, he'd have definitely remained poor- but he found ways to make sacrifices to instead put that into investing, he never paid attention to stock charts or tried to beat the market. He just steadily built up enough equity in the most profitable companies in the world across a wide range of industries, a perfectly diversified portfolio which wasn't over-diversified either, less than 100 companies. All of the holdings being dividend stocks which were blue chip. The dividends were reinvested to build up even more equity and he repeated this process until it compounded to him getting $20,000/month in dividends which definitely would've pulled him out of poverty at that point.

I want to try to do what he did! I don't have to reach the same result, but if there is something that will enable me to do better than I was yesterday, I'll consider that a success. Of course, what works for one person may not be the answer for another person.

If everyone was able to invest in the stock market, I'd think that perhaps companies wouldn't be so willing to pay dividends. But if you built up equity in profitable companies, your investment probably will still grow overtime, provided the economy keeps growing from year to year.

Blue chip stocks are worth a lot because these are businesses which are expected to keep being around because they know how to do business. The penny stocks are worth pennies because these are capital starved upstarts which rarely survive and quickly go bankrupt and thus are much more of a risk. If one of the stocks you own goes bankrupt, you only lose the amount invested in that one stock, if you have a good portfolio, you could absorb such losses.

The potential boon to your earning potential and thus being able to live how you want, is why I want to learn how to invest. There are certainly obstacles in your way such as brokerage fees and so on, and it takes decades or longer before you can really "cash out" but the point is, it can be done and it will be there if you make the smart decisions.

If a janitor can do it, I don't see why anyone who has a job can't too at least to some extent. I certainly don't believe that everyone can become rich, but it is possible to become better off than you were. What can you be doing today that will get you richer than yesterday?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 26, 2017 8:39 am

Saiwania wrote:What can you be doing today that will get you richer than yesterday?


Selling unregistered machine guns for five grand a pop could probably make me a very wealthy man in a short amount of time.

But yeah stocks is certainly one way to build a fortune up if you aren't a dummy.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri May 26, 2017 8:40 am

Saiwania wrote:What can you be doing today that will get you richer than yesterday?

Buying cheaper/own-label stuff? Stashing away money? Selling stuff?
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Postby Ambarii » Fri May 26, 2017 8:42 am

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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri May 26, 2017 8:47 am

I found the more I read about investing money in the stock market, the less it seemed like a good idea.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri May 26, 2017 8:48 am

Saiwania wrote:What can you be doing today that will get you richer than yesterday?


If you are somewhere near a dummy-level, save as much money from your paycheck (preferably 20-30%) and find an administration/finances course. Read about financial stuff on internet may help too. (If you are not a dummy, skip this step)


Now you aren't a dummy anymore, try to invest in the stock market (there's a pretty good Discord server that helps you with stock investing, but since that may be counted as advertising PM me for more info), funds and even Yen carry trade. Of course, you will get upturns and downturns, but there'll be a long term bias which will increase the green bills available in your purse. Personally, I live in Brazil and interest rates are high here, so fuck stocks and hail saving accounts :P
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Postby Diopolis » Fri May 26, 2017 8:50 am

The surest way of becoming rich is to live well below your means and invest your income into safe investments.
The fastest way of becoming rich is to win the lottery.
For best results, combine the two- be very nice to wealthy relatives with health problems.
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Postby Cabra West » Fri May 26, 2017 8:50 am

Saiwania wrote:
What is the best means of becoming wealthy in your opinion, statistically speaking?


Statistically speaking, it has to be inheriting money.
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Postby Sanctissima » Fri May 26, 2017 8:53 am

Savings accounts and stocks are usually the best bet.

Won't get you extravagantly rich unless you start day trading (which you really shouldn't do unless you know exactly what you're doing), but it will let you save up enough money to retire early and live comfortably.

At the end of the day, it comes down to saving money and investing it well.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri May 26, 2017 8:53 am

Seizing the means of production.
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Postby Onocarcass » Fri May 26, 2017 9:00 am

There are a lot of rich people out there who aren't very intelligent. Maybe you can attempt to manipulate them to do your bidding.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri May 26, 2017 9:03 am

Uxupox wrote:Seizing the means of production.


But then we won't be rich... We will be... equal
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Postby Uxupox » Fri May 26, 2017 9:06 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Uxupox wrote:Seizing the means of production.


But then we won't be rich... We will be... equal


Not if you are part of the inner circle or belong to the party.
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Postby Golgothium » Fri May 26, 2017 9:06 am

TBH, for myself it's all about keeping expenses small relative to your income, no matter how meager or lavish.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri May 26, 2017 9:08 am

Sanctissima wrote:At the end of the day, it comes down to saving money and investing it well.


Should the government be investing a portion of all taxes it collects such as say 1 or 10% of revenues into a portfolio of blue chip stocks? I think that in this way, a lot of different programs could perhaps be funded more profitably.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri May 26, 2017 9:11 am

Saiwania wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:At the end of the day, it comes down to saving money and investing it well.


Should the government be investing a portion of all taxes it collects such as say 1 or 10% of revenues into a portfolio of blue chip stocks? I think that in this way, a lot of different programs could perhaps be funded more profitably.


Then its just corporatism, because you are going to tax citizens to stuff big business' purses with money.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri May 26, 2017 9:14 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:Then its just corporatism, because you are going to tax citizens to stuff big business' purses with money.


The idea I have in mind is that because the government has a tiny shareholder stake in all the major corporations, that the government would receive dividends in addition to the taxes it collects and in that way- would have more money to pay for whatever programs the people want.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 26, 2017 9:14 am

Ambarii wrote:"Drop out of college" - Tai Lopez


"Here in my garage in Beverly Hills, I will teach you how to be rich!".
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri May 26, 2017 9:16 am

I become richer every day by winning League games.

In IPs...

I'm now sitting at ~80,000 IP and can probably double the netsworth at some point.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 26, 2017 9:17 am

Frank Zipper wrote:I found the more I read about investing money in the stock market, the less it seemed like a good idea.


Investing money in the stock market, to me, seems very much like gambling.

It's why I don't really go after the stock market, myself.

Now I know there's people who have stocks, and that's great, I'm just not one of those people.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri May 26, 2017 9:21 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Investing money in the stock market, to me, seems very much like gambling.


It isn't like gambling in the sense that a stock price is a real reflection of the overall health of a company. If a business knows what it is doing, it won't go bankrupt barring some major unexpected event such as a certain industry becoming obsolete and they fail to adapt or innovate, getting a bad CEO, over expanding, and so on. If you own many companies across many profitable industries, chances are you won't lose in the long run.

With gambling, the house has the advantage and it is nothing but pure luck. At least with investing, your money is being used to generate more business capital or whatever to do useful things with.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 26, 2017 9:21 am

Saiwania wrote:It goes without saying that no one wants to be poor, that means you are very restricted in what you're able to do financially. In any economy, it seems that there will be haves and have nots. The haves can live life more easily, provided they live within their means and have ways of preserving that wealth, such as the ownership of assets which bring in passive income. The have nots, have to focus most of their energies on merely surviving and consequently, they don't enjoy any good quality of life, they often die earlier, and that is truly a pity.

What is the best means of becoming wealthy in your opinion, statistically speaking?

I think it might lie with investing in the stock market. What I'm inspired by is Ronald Read, who was a janitor who was low income for most of his entire life, only earning $12/hour at J.C. Penny's but managed to build a fortune of $8 million before he passed away at 92 years of age.

If he spent his money like ordinary people, he'd have definitely remained poor- but he found ways to make sacrifices to instead put that into investing, he never paid attention to stock charts or tried to beat the market. He just steadily built up enough equity in the most profitable companies in the world across a wide range of industries, a perfectly diversified portfolio which wasn't over-diversified either, less than 100 companies. All of the holdings being dividend stocks which were blue chip. The dividends were reinvested to build up even more equity and he repeated this process until it compounded to him getting $20,000/month in dividends which definitely would've pulled him out of poverty at that point.

I want to try to do what he did! I don't have to reach the same result, but if there is something that will enable me to do better than I was yesterday, I'll consider that a success. Of course, what works for one person may not be the answer for another person.

If everyone was able to invest in the stock market, I'd think that perhaps companies wouldn't be so willing to pay dividends. But if you built up equity in profitable companies, your investment probably will still grow overtime, provided the economy keeps growing from year to year.

Blue chip stocks are worth a lot because these are businesses which are expected to keep being around because they know how to do business. The penny stocks are worth pennies because these are capital starved upstarts which rarely survive and quickly go bankrupt and thus are much more of a risk. If one of the stocks you own goes bankrupt, you only lose the amount invested in that one stock, if you have a good portfolio, you could absorb such losses.

The potential boon to your earning potential and thus being able to live how you want, is why I want to learn how to invest. There are certainly obstacles in your way such as brokerage fees and so on, and it takes decades or longer before you can really "cash out" but the point is, it can be done and it will be there if you make the smart decisions.

If a janitor can do it, I don't see why anyone who has a job can't too at least to some extent. I certainly don't believe that everyone can become rich, but it is possible to become better off than you were. What can you be doing today that will get you richer than yesterday?


What could I be doing today that will get me richer than yesterday? A lot of things, all of which require hard work.

The safest way to become rich (or at least live an adequate standard of living) is to minimize your expenses and maximize your savings. Alternatively, if you really want to invest, invest in tangible goods or in a business that meets a demand in your local community or that you know you will gain money from it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri May 26, 2017 9:23 am

Saiwania wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Investing money in the stock market, to me, seems very much like gambling.


It isn't like gambling in the sense that a stock price is a real reflection of the overall health of a company. If a business knows what it is doing, it won't go bankrupt barring some major unexpected event such as a certain industry becoming obsolete and they fail to adapt or innovate, getting a bad CEO, over expanding, and so on. If you own many companies across many profitable industries, chances are you won't lose in the long run.

With gambling, the house has the advantage and it is nothing but pure luck. At least with investing, your money is being used to generate more business capital or whatever to do useful things with.


I mean, it is still nothing but pure luck. Because tomorrow the company you invested on can take a hit and lose a billion dollars overnight.

I don't know about you but I'm glad I wasn't investing in United Airlines the night they lost a billion dollars. Sure, you could say they recovered, but those are a billion dollars they're not getting back.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri May 26, 2017 9:24 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It isn't like gambling in the sense that a stock price is a real reflection of the overall health of a company. If a business knows what it is doing, it won't go bankrupt barring some major unexpected event such as a certain industry becoming obsolete and they fail to adapt or innovate, getting a bad CEO, over expanding, and so on. If you own many companies across many profitable industries, chances are you won't lose in the long run.

With gambling, the house has the advantage and it is nothing but pure luck. At least with investing, your money is being used to generate more business capital or whatever to do useful things with.


I mean, it is still nothing but pure luck. Because tomorrow the company you invested on can take a hit and lose a billion dollars overnight.

I don't know about you but I'm glad I wasn't investing in United Airlines the night they lost a billion dollars. Sure, you could say they recovered, but those are a billion dollars they're not getting back.


is that from that stupid incident with the passenger? It cost them that much?

Oh dear...

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Postby Sanctissima » Fri May 26, 2017 9:25 am

Saiwania wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:At the end of the day, it comes down to saving money and investing it well.


Should the government be investing a portion of all taxes it collects such as say 1 or 10% of revenues into a portfolio of blue chip stocks? I think that in this way, a lot of different programs could perhaps be funded more profitably.


That's... actually a really good idea. I never considered that.

Mind you, its investments would have to be fairly well spread out, so as to avoid conflicts of interest and creating any monopolies. But otherwise, yes, that would be a really great additional revenue stream.

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