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Philjia
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Postby Philjia » Tue May 23, 2017 10:18 am

Aelex wrote:
Philjia wrote:> Claims not to be communitarian
> Communitarian policy
> Excellent

TIL I learned that acknowledging that Islam is the source of Islamic terrorism means that I support identity politics.
I... Just... Wot? :eyebrow:

My mistake, of course boiling people down to basic attributes is individualist policy.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:18 am

Raermany wrote:
Vaquas wrote:
You're using the same fallacy filled argument that the left uses on gun control.

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes they kill them with guns. We should ban guns!"

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes the terrorists come from refugee parents. Ban Refugees!"


Putting a criminal in jail is not the same as taking a weapon away dou?

Are all Muslims criminals?
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:18 am

Sjealand wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Just because he was born in Japan doesn't mean he's Japanese.

I can find 0 sources saying he was an ethnic korean. Give me a respectable source and i will be more than glad to to acknowledge if was wrong


It's all in Japanese, and I don't feel like it.

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Postby Caracasus » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

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Completely different. The link is clearly there and supported by a wide wealth of historical evidence.

Your claim is the one that requires the burden of proof. You are seriously trying to assert that deciding who is/isn't a citizen of a country based on blood hasn't historically been a contributing factor to dehumanization and attempted genocides. Yours is the "out there" claim. Prove it.

Your argument is that the link isn't there. Prove it.


Your argument is that god's grace isn't there. Prove it.

I can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you.


Nonsense. This has absolutely nothing to do with god whatsoever.

Give me a reason, any reason as to why I should accept your argument at all. An argument, negative or otherwise is also judged on its merits and its likelyhood. If I was to say to a scientist that gravity has no connection to something falling to the ground when I dropped it, I'd be expected to come up with some pretty damning evidence to support my claim. Yours is the out there claim. Prove it.
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Postby Royal Baronga » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Royal Baronga wrote:>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions

how many times can they do it?

Are all Britons to blame for British Imperialism?


BOOM!
Wait guys we used to colo-
BOOM!
g-guys im sorry i can't live lik-
BOOM!
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Putting a criminal in jail is not the same as taking a weapon away dou?

Are all Muslims criminals?


Yes.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

Royal Baronga wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.



Yes it does.



Wrong.


How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Europe.
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Japan.
:roll:


I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with how only one of those areas has invaded predominantly Muslim countries recently.
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Royal Baronga » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Putting a criminal in jail is not the same as taking a weapon away dou?

Are all Muslims criminals?


The majority of terror attacks in Europe are commited by muslims.
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Postby Sjealand » Tue May 23, 2017 10:19 am

Raermany wrote:
Sjealand wrote:I can find 0 sources saying he was an ethnic korean. Give me a respectable source and i will be more than glad to to acknowledge if was wrong


It's all in Japanese, and I don't feel like it.

What a coincidence wouldn't you say?

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

I always think it's funny to replace "muslims" with "jews" in my head on these type of threads and see how many people sound like literally Hitler.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

Royal Baronga wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Britons to blame for British Imperialism?


BOOM!
Wait guys we used to colo-
BOOM!
g-guys im sorry i can't live lik-
BOOM!

Do you have anything to add other than your disgusting gloating over the deaths of innocents?
be gay do crime


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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

Raermany wrote:
Sjealand wrote:I can find 0 sources saying he was an ethnic korean. Give me a respectable source and i will be more than glad to to acknowledge if was wrong


It's all in Japanese, and I don't feel like it.


Japanese isn't a problem. We can translate.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:20 am

Caracasus wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Your argument is that god's grace isn't there. Prove it.

I can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you.


Nonsense. This has absolutely nothing to do with god whatsoever.

Give me a reason, any reason as to why I should accept your argument at all. An argument, negative or otherwise is also judged on its merits and its likelyhood. If I was to say to a scientist that gravity has no connection to something falling to the ground when I dropped it, I'd be expected to come up with some pretty damning evidence to support my claim. Yours is the out there claim. Prove it.


Ok, let's drop god: I have a teacake in orbit around this planet right now, it's very delicious and soft.
Prove there's no floating teacake.

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Raermany wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Muslims criminals?


Yes.

Really? Convicted criminals?
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Postby Royal Baronga » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Royal Baronga wrote:
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Europe.
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Japan.
:roll:


I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with how only one of those areas has invaded predominantly Muslim countries recently.


So you're saying that if the Japanese Government invaded a Muslim country then they should also expect a couple ol muslim bombings ?
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Raermany wrote:
It's all in Japanese, and I don't feel like it.


Japanese isn't a problem. We can translate.


I don't want you to.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Royal Baronga wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Muslims criminals?


The majority of terror attacks in Europe are commited by muslims.


And yet the overwhelming majority of Muslims have never committed a crime.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Kanadorika » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Raermany wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Muslims criminals?


Yes.

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Postby Gallia- » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Raermany wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.



Yes it does.



Wrong.


20+ years ago, Korean leader.


It's not terrorism if it wasn't done before n years prior!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara

Asahara/Matsumoto was Japanese.

Not sure where you're getting the goofy idea he was Korean. Perhaps you're confusing him with Hayashi, who was the perpetrator of the attack (hardly a kingpin) and ethnic Korean from Tokyo?

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Postby Vaquas » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Raermany wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Muslims criminals?


Yes.


Either someone needs to get this guy for trolling or he's completely delusional.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Royal Baronga wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are all Muslims criminals?


The majority of terror attacks in Europe are commited by muslims.

That's a wonderfully irrelevant answer to a yes or no question.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 10:21 am

Raermany wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Japanese isn't a problem. We can translate.


I don't want you to.


In which case, we're all going to conclude that you are talking out of your arse.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ambarii » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Royal Baronga wrote:
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Europe.
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Japan.
:roll:


I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do with how only one of those areas has invaded predominantly Muslim countries recently.

Um, you might want to specify your point. Because right now it sounds like you're saying that Europeans had it coming.

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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Yes.

Really? Convicted criminals?


If you want them to be.

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Postby Caracasus » Tue May 23, 2017 10:22 am

Raermany wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Nonsense. This has absolutely nothing to do with god whatsoever.

Give me a reason, any reason as to why I should accept your argument at all. An argument, negative or otherwise is also judged on its merits and its likelyhood. If I was to say to a scientist that gravity has no connection to something falling to the ground when I dropped it, I'd be expected to come up with some pretty damning evidence to support my claim. Yours is the out there claim. Prove it.


Ok, let's drop god: I have a teacake in orbit around this planet right now, it's very delicious and soft.
Prove there's no floating teacake.


More bullshit. You know you are completely wrong on this and continuing to deflect. No evidence exists to prove or disprove teacakes. There are literally libraries full of documented evidence regarding genocides, nationalism and so forth.

Like I said, prove it.
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