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Postby Galloism » Tue May 23, 2017 10:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
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If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

Are you suggesting that people who fled the Gaddafi regime over 20 years ago are actually ISIL agents?

Time traveling terrorists are truly our greatest threat.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:06 am

Caracasus wrote:
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My Key argument was always
"the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe"
I'm not moving the goalposts, you're assuming things.


Okay. Back up your argument.


Prove god isn't real.
The link isn't there, so the burden of proof is on you.

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Postby Royal Baronga » Tue May 23, 2017 10:06 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:
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It is post INA of 1961.

OK, so if England is for the English, how far back do we go to qualify as *English*. Does this mean that England has to secede from the UK, and kick out any Irish, Welsh and Scottish people as well?


Stop trying to deconstruct my identity bigot.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:07 am

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Would you rather me shit in your bed once every 10 years, or every week?

Darling i fail to see you having any chance of getting into my bed ;)


Or anybody else, for that matter.

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Postby Caracasus » Tue May 23, 2017 10:09 am

Raermany wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Okay. Back up your argument.


Prove god isn't real.
The link isn't there, so the burden of proof is on you.


Completely different. The link is clearly there and supported by a wide wealth of historical evidence.

Your claim is the one that requires the burden of proof. You are seriously trying to assert that deciding who is/isn't a citizen of a country based on blood hasn't historically been a contributing factor to dehumanization and attempted genocides. Yours is the "out there" claim. Prove it.

Your argument is that the link isn't there. Prove it.
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Postby Aelex » Tue May 23, 2017 10:10 am

I can't understand why everyone are making a big fuss over his nationality when it's so utterly unimportant. Islam was what pushed him to commit those crimes, not his origins.
Liberals shouldn't be so happy that he is """homegrown""", if anything, it's just another proof of the incompatibility of Islam with the West.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:11 am

Caracasus wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Prove god isn't real.
The link isn't there, so the burden of proof is on you.


Completely different. The link is clearly there and supported by a wide wealth of historical evidence.

Your claim is the one that requires the burden of proof. You are seriously trying to assert that deciding who is/isn't a citizen of a country based on blood hasn't historically been a contributing factor to dehumanization and attempted genocides. Yours is the "out there" claim. Prove it.

Your argument is that the link isn't there. Prove it.


Your argument is that god's grace isn't there. Prove it.

I can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is on you.

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Postby Philjia » Tue May 23, 2017 10:11 am

Aelex wrote:I can't understand why everyone are making a big fuss over his nationality when it's so utterly unimportant. Islam was what pushed him to commit those crimes, not his origins.
Liberals shouldn't be so happy that he is """homegrown""", if anything, it's just another proof of the incompatibility of Islam with the West.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 10:13 am

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Free Chernakova wrote:I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what terrorists want, they love to play the system of political correctness and use that to hide behind.

Regardless of if he's Middle Eastern, English, Athiest, or Muslim, he's a terrorist, pure and simple. And if ISIS or whoever goes out and claims he was acting under their orders, it should be ISIS who gets retaliated against, not the other groups. Why is so hard to unite against a common threat?

Ronald Reagan was wrong. If we had an alien invasion, we wouldn't unite to fight it. We'd sit here and bicker over what qualifies an alien from a human, and if their skin is green enough to be truly alien.


When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.


Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.

Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.


Yes it does.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.


Wrong.
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Postby Aelex » Tue May 23, 2017 10:13 am

Philjia wrote:> Claims not to be communitarian
> Communitarian policy
> Excellent

TIL I learned that acknowledging that Islam is the source of Islamic terrorism means that I support identity politics.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:14 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Raermany wrote:
When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.


Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.

Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.


Yes it does.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.


Wrong.


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Postby Calladan » Tue May 23, 2017 10:14 am

Out of curiosity, when you people are banging on about "England for the English" does that mean my girlfriend isn't welcome to settle here, should we decide to move in together, since she was born north of the border? Or does your righteous indignation about blood control and purity only extend to people with a different skin tone to you?
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Postby Ambarii » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Raermany wrote:
When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.


Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.

Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.


Yes it does.


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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 am

Calladan wrote:Out of curiosity, when you people are banging on about "England for the English" does that mean my girlfriend isn't welcome to settle here, should we decide to move in together, since she was born north of the border? Or does your righteous indignation about blood control and purity only extend to people with a different skin tone to you?


Is your girlfriend hot?

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Postby Sjealand » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 am

Raermany wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.



Yes it does.



Wrong.


20+ years ago, Korean leader.

Still not korean

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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:15 am

Ambarii wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.



Yes it does.


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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:16 am

Sjealand wrote:
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20+ years ago, Korean leader.

Still not korean


Just because he was born in Japan doesn't mean he's Japanese.

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Postby Royal Baronga » Tue May 23, 2017 10:16 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Raermany wrote:
When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.


Yes they did. I mean, they weren't called "terrorist attacks", but they happened all the fucking time.

Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.


Yes it does.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.


Wrong.


How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Europe.
How many terror attacks carried out by muslims have happend in Japan.
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Postby Vaquas » Tue May 23, 2017 10:16 am

Raermany wrote:
Calladan wrote:Out of curiosity, when you people are banging on about "England for the English" does that mean my girlfriend isn't welcome to settle here, should we decide to move in together, since she was born north of the border? Or does your righteous indignation about blood control and purity only extend to people with a different skin tone to you?


Is your girlfriend hot?


Way to de-legitimize yourself buddy.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:17 am

Royal Baronga wrote:>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions

how many times can they do it?

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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:17 am

Vaquas wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Is your girlfriend hot?


Way to de-legitimize yourself buddy.


In the eyes of whom?

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Postby Shrilland » Tue May 23, 2017 10:17 am

Ifreann wrote:
Shrilland wrote:
If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

Are you suggesting that people who fled the Gaddafi regime over 20 years ago are actually ISIL agents?


What groups overthrew Gdaffi? Islamists. Who would flee Gdaffi? Primarily Islamists and capitalists. The fact that one turned out to be a terrorist isn't at all surprising and the fact that such an idea seems strange to you just shows how prejudiced you are.

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Postby Sjealand » Tue May 23, 2017 10:17 am

Raermany wrote:
Sjealand wrote:Still not korean


Just because he was born in Japan doesn't mean he's Japanese.

I can find 0 sources saying he was an ethnic korean. Give me a respectable source and i will be more than glad to to acknowledge if was wrong

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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 10:17 am

Liriena wrote:
Royal Baronga wrote:>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions

how many times can they do it?

Are all Britons to blame for British Imperialism?
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Is british imperialism still going on

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 10:18 am

Shrilland wrote:
Liriena wrote:The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?


If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

This was not, by definition, a "refugee attack". The culprit was not a refugee, and my opposition to ISIL does not preclude me also opposing the white supremacist narrative.
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