The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Raermany]

To suggest nationality must be inherently tied to blood is ridiculous, the United States would be a failed experiment were this the case.

It is post INA of 1961.

[Alvecia]

I'm gonna get going to that vigil in Albert Square now, so see you later people.

You're not helping.
They're cursing you from heaven.

Says the guy who claims to subscribe to /r/atheism?

[Raermany]

Why not

Because it's stupid and evil.

Terrorist attacks every day are stupid and evil.

[Sjealand]

I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what terrorists want, they love to play the system of political correctness and use that to hide behind.

Regardless of if he's Middle Eastern, English, Athiest, or Muslim, he's a terrorist, pure and simple. And if ISIS or whoever goes out and claims he was acting under their orders, it should be ISIS who gets retaliated against, not the other groups. Why is so hard to unite against a common threat?

Ronald Reagan was wrong. If we had an alien invasion, we wouldn't unite to fight it. We'd sit here and bicker over what qualifies an alien from a human, and if their skin is green enough to be truly alien.

When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.
Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.

I know it's a late response but about japan do you remember the Tokyo Subway Sarin attack? Perpetrated by japanese on japanese

[Liriena]

Because it's stupid and evil.

Terrorist attacks every day are stupid and evil.

Terrorist attacks are also evil, yes.

[Ifreann]

And it appears the culprit was a Manchester native.

We must begin the Crusade at once. March on Manchester! Blood for the bee god! Honey for the honey throne!

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You're gonna have some difficulties kicking all of Northern Ireland out of the UK.

They always seemed rather in favour of it

More opposed than in favour, actually.

[Caracasus]

Then it really shouldn't take you too long to explain it then, should it?

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

So, the Armenian genocide was over what... someone spilling someone else's pint? Rwandan genocide happened because someone woke up on the wrong side of bed? Complete co-incidence that so many Jews were killed in Nazi Germany?

Given that the general consensus is that deciding based on blood who is, and isn't a citizen of a country tends to go quite badly, it'd rather be on you to prove otherwise.

[Raermany]

Terrorist attacks every day are stupid and evil.

Terrorist attacks are also evil, yes.

If they're evil, we have to stop them and stuff!

[Vaquas]

Because it's stupid and evil.

Terrorist attacks every day are stupid and evil.

You're using the same fallacy filled argument that the left uses on gun control.

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes they kill them with guns. We should ban guns!"

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes the terrorists come from refugee parents. Ban Refugees!"

[Raermany]

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

So, the Armenian genocide was over what... someone spilling someone else's pint? Rwandan genocide happened because someone woke up on the wrong side of bed? Complete co-incidence that so many Jews were killed in Nazi Germany?

Given that the general consensus is that deciding based on blood who is, and isn't a citizen of a country tends to go quite badly, it'd rather be on you to prove otherwise.

That still has nothing to do with ethnonationalism though.

[Raermany]

Terrorist attacks every day are stupid and evil.

You're using the same fallacy filled argument that the left uses on gun control.

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes they kill them with guns. We should ban guns!"

"Terrorists kill people. Sometimes the terrorists come from refugee parents. Ban Refugees!"

Putting a criminal in jail is not the same as taking a weapon away dou?

[Royal Baronga]

>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions
>BOOM!
>Don't blame a religion guys, individuals are responsible for their own actions

how many times can they do it?

[Raermany]

When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.
Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.

I know it's a late response but about japan do you remember the Tokyo Subway Sarin attack? Perpetrated by japanese on japanese

20+ years ago and the head of the cult was a korean, try again.

[Shrilland]

Also, the child of refugees. Kind of a major point in this attack.

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

[Vaquas]

I know it's a late response but about japan do you remember the Tokyo Subway Sarin attack? Perpetrated by japanese on japanese

20+ years ago and the head of the cult was a korean, try again.

Good thing Japan banned Koreans and no terror attack ever happened again in Japan.

[Raermany]

20+ years ago and the head of the cult was a korean, try again.

Good thing Japan banned Koreans and no terror attack ever happened again in Japan.

Yes.

[Vaquas]

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

So much straw that I don't know what to do with

[Sjealand]

I know it's a late response but about japan do you remember the Tokyo Subway Sarin attack? Perpetrated by japanese on japanese

20+ years ago and the head of the cult was a korean, try again.

Yea but that's the thing. Shoko Asahara was not Korean, and age shouldnt matter on terrorism

[Caracasus]

So, the Armenian genocide was over what... someone spilling someone else's pint? Rwandan genocide happened because someone woke up on the wrong side of bed? Complete co-incidence that so many Jews were killed in Nazi Germany?

Given that the general consensus is that deciding based on blood who is, and isn't a citizen of a country tends to go quite badly, it'd rather be on you to prove otherwise.

That still has nothing to do with ethnonationalism though.

Want to carry on moving those goalposts? Your key argument seems to be that the idea of deciding who is/isn't "one of us" by blood hasn't contributed to attempted genocides. Back up that claim.

[Raermany]

20+ years ago and the head of the cult was a korean, try again.

Yea but that's the thing. Shoko Asahara was not Korean, and age shouldnt matter on terrorism

Would you rather me shit in your bed once every 10 years, or every week?

[Raermany]

That still has nothing to do with ethnonationalism though.

Want to carry on moving those goalposts? Your key argument seems to be that the idea of deciding who is/isn't "one of us" by blood hasn't contributed to attempted genocides. Back up that claim.

My Key argument was always
"the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe"
I'm not moving the goalposts, you're assuming things.

[Caracasus]

Want to carry on moving those goalposts? Your key argument seems to be that the idea of deciding who is/isn't "one of us" by blood hasn't contributed to attempted genocides. Back up that claim.

My Key argument was always
"the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe"
I'm not moving the goalposts, you're assuming things.

Okay. Back up your argument.

[Ifreann]

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

If he was the first to do so then no. But he isn't now is he? Many "refugee" attacks are for ISIL. It sure is a strange pattern. If you don't oppose ISIL, that's fine, but don't try to force Britain to deal with your hateful and evil mindset.

Are you suggesting that people who fled the Gaddafi regime over 20 years ago are actually ISIL agents?

[Eastfield Lodge]

To suggest nationality must be inherently tied to blood is ridiculous, the United States would be a failed experiment were this the case.

It is post INA of 1961.

OK, so if England is for the English, how far back do we go to qualify as *English*. Does this mean that England has to secede from the UK, and kick out any Irish, Welsh and Scottish people as well?

[Sjealand]

Yea but that's the thing. Shoko Asahara was not Korean, and age shouldnt matter on terrorism

Would you rather me shit in your bed once every 10 years, or every week?

Darling i fail to see you having any chance of getting into my bed