The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Galloism]

And I doubt he would have ignited at an Ariana Grande concert if it was an accident.

I was thinking more "they exploded too early, before he had a chance to get out of the blast radius".

English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.

How far back are you going here? Am I not English, given that some of my ancestors immigrated in 1066? Bloody violent they were, as well.

I'm not sure "immigration" is the right word for what happened in 1066.

[Liriena]

No. I'm saying that you clearly were trying to minimize Hitler's actions by comparing them to Stalin's... and the best part is you did it without any prompting. Some other poster pointed out that obsessing over "blood" in discussions about race and ethnicity has generally had terrible consequences, and you immediately, without any clear reason, proceeded to defend Hitler by comparing him to Stalin. A completely irrelevant whataboutism that says a lot about your worldview.


What extremes? Please, do explain.

I walk the thin line between extreme left and extreme right, it's called the golden mean, kid.

I see you've been attending your high school philosophy classes.

[Raermany]

Yep.

Want to expand on that a little?

It's self-evident.

[Salandriagado]

English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.

Actually its neither because neither of those are real in terms of defining someone's nationality; its determined by the citizenship you have.

(Insert pedantry about nationality and citizenship being slightly different things here)

[Liriena]

No. He's a Mancunian of Libyan ancestry. Try to keep up.

Why do you mention his ancestry you bigot, ethnicity doesn't matter.

Nice try.

[Caracasus]

Want to expand on that a little?

It's self-evident.

Then it really shouldn't take you too long to explain it then, should it?

[Raermany]

I walk the thin line between extreme left and extreme right, it's called the golden mean, kid.

I see you've been attending your high school philosophy classes.

Sargon Of Akkad and r/atheism are all the school I need.

[Raermany]

It's self-evident.

Then it really shouldn't take you too long to explain it then, should it?

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

[Liriena]

I see you've been attending your high school philosophy classes.

Sargon Of Akkad and r/atheism are all the school I need.

D'awwwwwwwwww

[Free Chernakova]

I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what terrorists want, they love to play the system of political correctness and use that to hide behind.

Regardless of if he's Middle Eastern, English, Athiest, or Muslim, he's a terrorist, pure and simple. And if ISIS or whoever goes out and claims he was acting under their orders, it should be ISIS who gets retaliated against, not the other groups. Why is so hard to unite against a common threat?

Ronald Reagan was wrong. If we had an alien invasion, we wouldn't unite to fight it. We'd sit here and bicker over what qualifies an alien from a human, and if their skin is green enough to be truly alien.

[Liriena]

Then it really shouldn't take you too long to explain it then, should it?

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

Lying about world history is silly.

[Raermany]

I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what terrorists want, they love to play the system of political correctness and use that to hide behind.

Regardless of if he's Middle Eastern, English, Athiest, or Muslim, he's a terrorist, pure and simple. And if ISIS or whoever goes out and claims he was acting under their orders, it should be ISIS who gets retaliated against, not the other groups. Why is so hard to unite against a common threat?

Ronald Reagan was wrong. If we had an alien invasion, we wouldn't unite to fight it. We'd sit here and bicker over what qualifies an alien from a human, and if their skin is green enough to be truly alien.

When England was homogeneously English, terrorist attacks didn't happen.
Japan (homogeneously Japanese) has no terrorist attacks.

I'd say bickering about religious identity sorta helps after all.

[Raermany]

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

Lying about world history is silly.

Thank god i never do that.

[Shrilland]

So he's a Libyan that's lived among the English for 2 generations.

No. He's a Mancunian of Libyan ancestry. Try to keep up.

Also, the child of refugees. Kind of a major point in this attack.

[The Hook Islands]

Then it really shouldn't take you too long to explain it then, should it?

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

Fairly sure the Armenians would disagree with that.

[Vaquas]

Wrong.

Elaborate.

Racism implies that one believes one's own race is superior.

If one was to say "I hate [n-words]!", but did not subscribe to the idea that their own race is superior to those associated with being black, that person would be insensitive and likely idiotic, but not necessarily a rascist. If I blurted "I hate

Kikes

!" right now for no reason at all, that does not immediately mean I am anti-semetic, only that i have used ethnically sensitive language.

There are black rappers and entertainers who speak badly of white people in their music or of cops, but I do not consider them rascist against whites or anti-police, unless they act on it in a political or otherwise non-entertainment related way.

Actions speak louder than words.

[Raermany]

the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe

Fairly sure the Armenians would disagree with that.

I identify as a citizen of turkey at the moment, and believing in the Armenian Genocide is illegal.

[Liriena]

No. He's a Mancunian of Libyan ancestry. Try to keep up.

Also, the child of refugees. Kind of a major point in this attack.

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

[Vaquas]

To suggest nationality must be inherently tied to blood is ridiculous, the United States would be a failed experiment were this the case.

[The Hook Islands]

I'm gonna get going to that vigil in Albert Square now, so see you later people.

[Raermany]

Also, the child of refugees. Kind of a major point in this attack.

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

Why not

[Raermany]

I'm gonna get going to that vigil in Albert Square now, so see you later people.

You're not helping.
They're cursing you from heaven.

[Liriena]

Elaborate.

Racism implies that one believes one's own race is superior.

If one was to say "I hate [n-words]!", but did not subscribe to the idea that their own race is superior to those associated with being black, that person would be insensitive and likely idiotic, but not necessarily a rascist. If I blurted "I hate

Kikes

!" right now for no reason at all, that does not immediately mean I am anti-semetic, only that i have used ethnically sensitive language.

There are black rappers and entertainers who speak badly of white people in their music or of cops, but I do not consider them rascist against whites or anti-police, unless they act on it in a political or otherwise non-entertainment related way.

Actions speak louder than words.

Interesting point.

[Alvecia]

Elaborate.

Racism implies that one believes one's own race is superior.

If one was to say "I hate [n-words]!", but did not subscribe to the idea that their own race is superior to those associated with being black, that person would be insensitive and likely idiotic, but not necessarily a rascist. If I blurted "I hate

Kikes

!" right now for no reason at all, that does not immediately mean I am anti-semetic, only that i have used ethnically sensitive language.

There are black rappers and entertainers who speak badly of white people in their music or of cops, but I do not consider them rascist against whites or anti-police, unless they act on it in a political or otherwise non-entertainment related way.

Actions speak louder than words.

I dunno, if you hate another race in its entirety for any reason, you're kind of automatically assuming your own is superior because it does not do the thing that you hate them for.

[Liriena]

The child of Libyan refugees, yes. So? How is that a "major point" exactly? Are we going to blame his parents' refugee status for his actions? Ban refugees because a guy born in Manchester turned into a terrorist?

Why not

Because it's stupid and evil.