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Postby Vaquas » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
How can I be racist if my girlfriend black

Easy: If you talk like a racist, you're a racist. Nobody gives a crap about your personal relationships.


Wrong.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 am

Raermany wrote:
Liriena wrote:And that comparison justifies Hitler's actions in your eyes?


Are you saying that if I don't want Stalin I have to want Hitler?

No. I'm saying that you clearly were trying to minimize Hitler's actions by comparing them to Stalin's... and the best part is you did it without any prompting. Some other poster pointed out that obsessing over "blood" in discussions about race and ethnicity has generally had terrible consequences, and you immediately, without any clear reason, proceeded to defend Hitler by comparing him to Stalin. A completely irrelevant whataboutism that says a lot about your worldview.

Raermany wrote:I believe in the horseshoe, I'm not one to fall into extremes like you.

What extremes? Please, do explain.
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Postby Sjealand » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 am

Raermany wrote:
Sjealand wrote:Yes they will remember you utterly embarrasing yourself my friend


I'm not your friend, bud.

And i thank the gods for that.

Anyways people to get back on track, what's the current situation in Manchester? Is the centre still locked down

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I'm not your friend, bud.

They ain't your bud, pal.

Have a drink on me partner
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Postby Philjia » Tue May 23, 2017 9:39 am

According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?
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Postby Community Values » Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

Galloism wrote:
Raermany wrote:
English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.

So the queen isn't English.

Curious.


No one except the celts are English, I guess.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

Galloism wrote:
Raermany wrote:
English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.

So the queen isn't English.

Curious.


You might notice that the European Royal Elite is usually a mix of various european ethnic groups. :o

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?

Is that what you call people from manchester?
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

Raermany wrote:
Galloism wrote:So the queen isn't English.

Curious.


You might notice that the European Royal Elite is usually a mix of various european ethnic groups. :o

Yes.

So when do you expel the queen?
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

Vaquas wrote:
Liriena wrote:Easy: If you talk like a racist, you're a racist. Nobody gives a crap about your personal relationships.


Wrong.

Elaborate.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?


So he's a Libyan that's lived among the English for 2 generations.

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?

Is that what you call people from manchester?

It's an interesting demonym.
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby The Hook Islands » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?

Is that what you call people from manchester?

What, Mancunians? Yeah.
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Postby Philjia » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?

Is that what you call people from manchester?

Yes.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Raermany wrote:England for the English.
And this wouldn't have happened.

He's fucking english.


Unlikely that he saw himself that way. I'm going to cautiously say that he probably overwhelmingly defined himself by his religion!
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Postby Caracasus » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

Raermany wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Pineapples are tasty enough that it's worth the effort of peeling them.

See? I can make statements completely disconnected from the argument as well!


Nationalism and genocides are unrelated as well. Try again.


So you're seriously stating that the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe?
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue May 23, 2017 9:41 am

Galloism wrote:
Raermany wrote:
English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.

So the queen isn't English.

Curious.

Legal question: can we deport queen for not being Britishtm enough?
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 9:42 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Are you saying that if I don't want Stalin I have to want Hitler?

No. I'm saying that you clearly were trying to minimize Hitler's actions by comparing them to Stalin's... and the best part is you did it without any prompting. Some other poster pointed out that obsessing over "blood" in discussions about race and ethnicity has generally had terrible consequences, and you immediately, without any clear reason, proceeded to defend Hitler by comparing him to Stalin. A completely irrelevant whataboutism that says a lot about your worldview.

Raermany wrote:I believe in the horseshoe, I'm not one to fall into extremes like you.

What extremes? Please, do explain.


I walk the thin line between extreme left and extreme right, it's called the golden mean, kid.

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 9:42 am

Raermany wrote:
Philjia wrote:According to police the bomber was a 22 year old Mancunian of Libyan ancestry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40020168

Prepare for a full scale invasion of Manchester to avenge Manchester then?


So he's a Libyan that's lived among the English for 2 generations.

No. He's a Mancunian of Libyan ancestry. Try to keep up.
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 9:42 am

Caracasus wrote:
Raermany wrote:
Nationalism and genocides are unrelated as well. Try again.


So you're seriously stating that the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe?


Yep.

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

Galloism wrote:
Raermany wrote:
You might notice that the European Royal Elite is usually a mix of various european ethnic groups. :o

Yes.

So when do you expel the queen?

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Galloism wrote:So the queen isn't English.

Curious.

Legal question: can we deport queen for not being Britishtm enough?

She's basically a spy that's lived among the English for a dozen generations.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Raermany » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

Liriena wrote:
Raermany wrote:
So he's a Libyan that's lived among the English for 2 generations.

No. He's a Mancunian of Libyan ancestry. Try to keep up.


Why do you mention his ancestry you bigot, ethnicity doesn't matter.

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Postby The Hook Islands » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

Raermany wrote:
Liriena wrote:No. I'm saying that you clearly were trying to minimize Hitler's actions by comparing them to Stalin's... and the best part is you did it without any prompting. Some other poster pointed out that obsessing over "blood" in discussions about race and ethnicity has generally had terrible consequences, and you immediately, without any clear reason, proceeded to defend Hitler by comparing him to Stalin. A completely irrelevant whataboutism that says a lot about your worldview.


What extremes? Please, do explain.


I walk the thin line between extreme left and extreme right, it's called the golden mean, kid.

Uhhh... Isn't a line between two extremes still extreme?
That could be phrased better but I think people know what I mean.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

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Alvecia wrote:Barring a fuck up of the explosives that is

And I doubt he would have ignited at an Ariana Grande concert if it was an accident.


I was thinking more "they exploded too early, before he had a chance to get out of the blast radius".

Raermany wrote:
Galloism wrote:The dude was English. Born and raised.


English is defined by blood, not how much you adapted to the culture.

The culture thing has been tried, this is the result.


How far back are you going here? Am I not English, given that some of my ancestors immigrated in 1066? Bloody violent they were, as well.
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Postby Caracasus » Tue May 23, 2017 9:43 am

Raermany wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
So you're seriously stating that the whole "blood decides who is/isn't a citizen of our country" wasn't a contributing factor to the dehumanization of various peoples and various attempted genocides across the globe?


Yep.


Want to expand on that a little?
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