The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Olerand]

Except for the whole Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.

Thought that was the Taliban.

It was. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda were a part of the greater agglomeration of Islamists working under the banner of the Mujaheddin. There were others too, but al-Qaeda's initial inception is indeed to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

[Uxupox]

You mean Al-Qaeda didn't have any base whatsoever in Cold War politics?

Given that the main reason Bin Laden went off his trolley was how the Saudi government treated his band of mercenaries during Desert Storm, not really.

So the Saudi should have accepted their aid?

[Olerand]

Al-Qaeda the institution or Al-Qaeda the thought?

The problem with how the United States handles terrorism is actually precisely this. There is no connection made between terrorism the ideology, and terrorism the insurgent groups. That's why America plays wack-a-mole with terrorists. "Beat" them in Afghanistan, fight them in Iraq, "beat" them in Iraq, fight them in Syria, "beat" them in Syria, fight them in Libya, "beat" them in Libya, fight them in Mali, "beat" them in Mali, fight them in Nigeria, "beat" them in Nigeria, fight them in Somalia, "beat" them in Somalia, fight them in Pakistan, and so on and so forth until eternity. I want to end this for good, not walk a mole.

Though I do suppose this is excellent business for the American military-industrial complex. So maybe if I were America, I wouldn't want to solve this either.

United States isn't in NIgeria nor in Mali. It's presence in Somalia is very minor as part of AFRICOM it's only purpose is to provide organization and training support for the local forces in the area.

The US is, indirectly, in Mali, it supports the French presence there logistically, and rather heavily at that (and it is lightly involved in Nigeria too, now that I think about it, in a supporting position to the Nigerian forces). As for the countries that I gave, I gave those as rhetorical examples, not as actual examples or a chronological list. The US hasn't "beat" the terrorists anywhere, really, and it fought them in Somalia (a little) and Pakistan (and Yemen) before Syria.

[Uxupox]

United States isn't in NIgeria nor in Mali. It's presence in Somalia is very minor as part of AFRICOM it's only purpose is to provide organization and training support for the local forces in the area.

The US is, indirectly, in Mali, it supports the French presence there logistically, and rather heavily at that. As for the countries that I gave, I gave those as rhetorical examples, not as actual examples or a chronological list. The US hasn't "beat" the terrorists anywhere, really, and it fought them in Somalia (a little) and Pakistan (and Yemen) before Syria.

168 tons of equipment is not "heavily" at all. From a logistician's standpoint it's miraculously very minor.

[Olerand]

The US is, indirectly, in Mali, it supports the French presence there logistically, and rather heavily at that. As for the countries that I gave, I gave those as rhetorical examples, not as actual examples or a chronological list. The US hasn't "beat" the terrorists anywhere, really, and it fought them in Somalia (a little) and Pakistan (and Yemen) before Syria.

168 tons of equipment is not "heavily" at all. From a logistician's standpoint it's miraculously very minor.

Not equipment, transportation and intel.

[Uxupox]

168 tons of equipment is not "heavily" at all. From a logistician's standpoint it's miraculously very minor.

Not equipment, transportation and intel.

200 passengers? Also logistical support is just start logistics which includes transportation, ammunition and equipment. Intel is a completely different scenario than logistics.

[Olerand]

Not equipment, transportation and intel.

200 passengers?

What? No, helping French forces get there, and providing France with intel that it couldn't have access to.

EDIT: What have you, logistically and in intelligence matters. America is significantly contributing to the French forces in Mali, and thus definitely has an involvement.

[Gauthier]

Meanwhile, in the Manchester Attacks(?) Megathread
"We need radical, Hitler-esque policies to make more white babies"

Fucking gods, NSG, this is bad even for you.

But the universe loves ironic humor so all those white babies grow up converting to Islam.

[KMS Prinz Eugen]

I am interested in seeing what data you are basing these hypotheses on.

White babies, will, for the first time ever, be the minority in America in 2017.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/ ... ensus-says
Minority and immigrant children are the fastest growing.
https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/ ... -children/
Muslims will outpace Christians by 2035.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/musli ... le/2619398
Merkel wishes to bring in 12 million non-white migrants.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765 ... 12-million
Scientists have determined that humans will be almost entirely brown by 2050.
https://mic.com/articles/87359/national ... .oRQGc2Qr7
Interracial marriage and relationships are growing.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/ ... rmarriage/
Pope encourages Europeans to not have children to prevent 'overpopulation' while at the same time promoting open borders because 'muh pensions'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 12676.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ter-sermon
Whites are being targeted by the MSM to not have children.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/styl ... ubz=0&_r=0

Depressing, tbh.

[United Muscovite Nations]

So I guess this sums up quite nicely how radicalisation happens.

Jesus, this is inaccurate. Join a MENA group, and you will see how radicalization really does happen, unfortunately (though, the mods will hopefully ban the radicalized individuals). It usually starts with a resentment toward Western values. A lot of European Muslims talk surprisingly like the Alt-Right.

[Conserative Morality]

Jesus, this is inaccurate. Join a MENA group, and you will see how radicalization really does happen, unfortunately (though, the mods will hopefully ban the radicalized individuals). It usually starts with a resentment toward Western values. A lot of European Muslims talk surprisingly like the Alt-Right.

I don't see how it's inaccurate? These things don't contradict one another.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Jesus, this is inaccurate. Join a MENA group, and you will see how radicalization really does happen, unfortunately (though, the mods will hopefully ban the radicalized individuals). It usually starts with a resentment toward Western values. A lot of European Muslims talk surprisingly like the Alt-Right.

I don't see how it's inaccurate? These things don't contradict one another.

I mean that it usually doesn't start with "poor, downtrodden Muslims" (I can tell you from experience that most Muslims laugh at that stereotype); it starts with a few individuals who think that the Western countries are engaging in a vast "Sunni genocide" in the Middle East, which culminated, in their minds, with the support of the New Iraqi government that is supported by Iran, which is viewed as an archenemy. This ideology mainly projects from Saudi Arabia, but it lures people towards ISIS because ISIS is fighting both the Western powers and Iran, making it, in their minds, the only one "defending the Sunnis from genocide". Nevermind that the vast majority of the governments fighting ISIS are sunni, they will say that those are Western puppets.

[Vassenor]

So I guess this sums up quite nicely how radicalisation happens.

Jesus, this is inaccurate. Join a MENA group, and you will see how radicalization really does happen, unfortunately (though, the mods will hopefully ban the radicalized individuals). It usually starts with a resentment toward Western values. A lot of European Muslims talk surprisingly like the Alt-Right.

I am interested in seeing your sources.

[Questers]

For reference, 168 tonnes is approximately half the daily combat requirement of a light infantry brigade. So if that's the extent of American involvement in Mali on a daily level, that's probably pretty useful. If it was a one off transport operation then that's not really that useful. And I think the French forces in Mali were all light mechanised anyway.

[Questers]

Went to a restaurant in the Printworks tonight. It was empty, so quiet that we were the last group in by 8:30pm and they actually closed up at 9.

I've never seen the Printworks and the places in it even less than half full and that includes about half an hour after they open.

Edit: I also saw a guy stop to offer a couple of bobbies a crisp from his pack, so that was nice.

Going to Manchester this weekend so will be able to see for myself how active it is.

A crisp. What better way for a stolid northern chap to show his support.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

It's a joke, do you know why it's funny?

So we're hiding behind Poe's Law then?

Damn mante.

This is some rethoric white supremacist post.

[Cabra West]

So now after Theresa May had to have a hospital photo opportunity with some of the victims, the queen is stalking the wards as well....

I can't imagine I'd want to see either if I was recovering after an attack like that. I wonder if they actually asked the patients, or just showed the public figures in next to the beds?

[Vassenor]

So now after Theresa May had to have a hospital photo opportunity with some of the victims, the queen is stalking the wards as well....

I can't imagine I'd want to see either if I was recovering after an attack like that. I wonder if they actually asked the patients, or just showed the public figures in next to the beds?

At least Liz showing up isn't just a cynical points-scoring exercise.

[The East Marches II]

Jesus, this is inaccurate. Join a MENA group, and you will see how radicalization really does happen, unfortunately (though, the mods will hopefully ban the radicalized individuals). It usually starts with a resentment toward Western values. A lot of European Muslims talk surprisingly like the Alt-Right.

I am interested in seeing your sources.

He literally used an anecdote and opinion, no different than a facebook post. Do you want him to post chat logs and recordings for you?

[Lady Scylla]

So now after Theresa May had to have a hospital photo opportunity with some of the victims, the queen is stalking the wards as well....

I can't imagine I'd want to see either if I was recovering after an attack like that. I wonder if they actually asked the patients, or just showed the public figures in next to the beds?

I think seeing the Queen would be pretty awesome.

[Frank Zipper]

So now after Theresa May had to have a hospital photo opportunity with some of the victims, the queen is stalking the wards as well....

I can't imagine I'd want to see either if I was recovering after an attack like that. I wonder if they actually asked the patients, or just showed the public figures in next to the beds?

I think seeing the Queen would be pretty awesome.

It is very much like seeing any other old lady in a funny hat.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I am interested in seeing your sources.

He literally used an anecdote and opinion, no different than a facebook post. Do you want him to post chat logs and recordings for you?

You joke, but no-one should bother putting in the labour. Anything that doesn't match their worldview will just get a stock unfunny snarky dismissal or deflection and everyone's just wasted their time.

[Ifreann]

He literally used an anecdote and opinion, no different than a facebook post. Do you want him to post chat logs and recordings for you?

You joke, but no-one should bother putting in the labour. Anything that doesn't match their worldview will just get a stock unfunny snarky dismissal or deflection and everyone's just wasted their time.

Wouldn't our time have to be valuable in some way in order for it to be wasted?

[Imperializt Russia]

I am interested in seeing what data you are basing these hypotheses on.

White babies, will, for the first time ever, be the minority in America in 2017.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/ ... ensus-says

I thought it had already happened, but OK. Whites in America are still triple the population of any other ethnic group, so you're good for a few decades and with any luck, the geopolitical world as we know it will have finally ended and stop being shit.

Minority and immigrant children are the fastest growing.
https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/ ... -children/

This is arguably generally true due to the correlation between children and poverty.
it is noted that migrant families, particularly of non-European origin, have fairly large first generations compared to natives. But each subsequent generation acclimates to the country, and usually is able to achieve some level of social mobility, and future generations therefore have smaller generations more in line with natives.

Muslims will outpace Christians by 2035.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/musli ... le/2619398

In real life, of course, there is no such thing as a "muslim birthrate" or "Christian birthrate". In any case, Christianity is generally dying out because it is a predominantly western religion, and the west is predominantly moving towards religious apathy or outright atheism. While many natives in the west may still identify as "Christian" in census, they're usually quick to admit that most of them are by no means practising Christians, nor knowledgeable about the tenets of the religion.

Merkel wishes to bring in 12 million non-white migrants.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765 ... 12-million

I wouldn't trust the Express to tell me what colour Merkel said the sky was. I'm not even going to click on it, but I'm pretty sure that 12 million is the entirety of those externally displaced due to the Syrian conflict.
Merkel has not suggested taking in all of the externally displaced Syrians, permanently or otherwise.

Scientists have determined that humans will be almost entirely brown by 2050.
https://mic.com/articles/87359/national ... .oRQGc2Qr7

I like how you linked to mic, something of a clickbait site, instead of NatGeo.
But, they write:

This is certainly encouraging, but there are obvious flaws with tracking racial population growth through a survey that lets people self-identify, especially since so many familial, cultural and even geographical factors influence your decision to claim one or multiple races. Complicating things further is the definition of race itself: It has no basis in biology, yet its constructions, functions and mythologies irrevocably shape the world as we know it.

Here's the actual article: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/10/changing-faces/funderburg-text?rptregcta=reg_free_np&rptregcampaign=20131016_rw_membership_r1p_us_se_w

Interracial marriage and relationships are growing.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/ ... rmarriage/

Is this meant to be a problem?

Pope encourages Europeans to not have children to prevent 'overpopulation' while at the same time promoting open borders because 'muh pensions'.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 12676.html
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ter-sermon

His reported comments make no mention of targeting this message to Europeans. It is alluding to all people everywhere to have fewer children. In less-developed parts of the world where Catholicism is strong, such as in South America, parts of Africa, this message may resonate. Especially with him revising the church's message to "avoiding pregnancy is not an absolute evil".

Whites are being targeted by the MSM to not have children.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/styl ... ubz=0&_r=0

Except for all those attacks on white female heads of state who are childless of course.
But facts, y'know.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You joke, but no-one should bother putting in the labour. Anything that doesn't match their worldview will just get a stock unfunny snarky dismissal or deflection and everyone's just wasted their time.

Wouldn't our time have to be valuable in some way in order for it to be wasted?

This is a fair point