The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Neutraligon]

It's in the bible too, y'know.

Ja, but you don't see christians or jews committing these acts very often, now do you?

Considering how violent the Old Testament is that should say something.

[The Alma Mater]

I know Kony 2012 was a pretty pathetic social movement that achieved nothing, but it was still referring to an actual thing.

Some Christian countries in Africa also carry the death penalty for homosexuality, something that westerners love to complain about in Islam (even though the number of middle eastern countries that actually have that penalty more or less match up with the number in Africa). Kind of worrying since these laws have, on occasion, been passed and supported by American Christian leaders or Christian politicians.

I am not too fond of christianity either, but when they start attacking innocents anywhere near the frequency of radical muslims, please be sure to let us know.

Does 30 years or so ago count ?

[Frank Zipper]

My personal theory is it's because they can still get away with it in most majority Muslim countries.

They do it non Muslim majority countries too. The Philippines is overwhelmingly Christian if I'm not mistaken yet a bunch of Muslim militants just executed some 20 people there, reportedly for not being able to recite verses from the Quran or some such shit.

I do worry that Indonesia and the Philippines will soon be joining the spreading chaos of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen et al.

[Old Tyrannia]

Pity things like this have to happen, but hopefully this attack will serve to push the European society another step towards the right way, towards exercising less tolerance and more firepower against alien scum in their midst and especially against that poisonous degenerate death cult that certain terrorists are so fond of.

I'm surprised only one arrest has been made in connection to Manchester attack thus far.

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[Alvecia]

My personal theory is it's because they can still get away with it in most majority Muslim countries.

They do it non Muslim majority countries too. The Philippines is overwhelmingly Christian if I'm not mistaken yet a bunch of Muslim militants just executed some 20 people there, reportedly for not being able to recite verses from the Quran or some such shit.

And we've seen stuff like that in the west as well, though typically in the form of bombing.
Point is, Christianity's mostly ran the gamut of secularism, and they've learned that following their religious laws to the letter is likely to get them a smack from the government/police. Islam hasn't really had that yet, their governments are mostly still very theocratic and tacitly support most of what they do.

Like a child that's been taught discipline vs a child that's left to run wild.

[Edding]

Ja, but you don't see christians or jews committing these acts very often, now do you?

Considering how violent the Old Testament is that should say something.

Ja, but you don't see christians or jews committing these acts very often, now do you?

[Aelex]

Adhering to a faith that calls for the killing of infidels as a core tenant defines it fine for most people.

It's in the bible too, y'know.

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

[Alvecia]

It's in the bible too, y'know.

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

Not Jesus, but close enough

[Gallia-]

I know Kony 2012 was a pretty pathetic social movement that achieved nothing, but it was still referring to an actual thing.

Some Christian countries in Africa also carry the death penalty for homosexuality, something that westerners love to complain about in Islam (even though the number of middle eastern countries that actually have that penalty more or less match up with the number in Africa). Kind of worrying since these laws have, on occasion, been passed and supported by American Christian leaders or Christian politicians.

I am not too fond of christianity either, but when they start attacking innocents anywhere near the frequency of radical muslims, please be sure to let us know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The Irish were worse than radical Muslims, though. They didn't just meet the Muslims, they far well and exceeded their ability to cause death with car bombs and mortar attacks. Muslims can pull off a PIRA-style bombing once a decade in a particular country. The Irish could do it pretty much every other month.

When Muslims started their bombings in the late '80s, the terror attacks were invariably, immediately blamed on the Irish in British press, until the 1990s brought the end of terrorism in Europe.

[Imperializt Russia]

They do it non Muslim majority countries too. The Philippines is overwhelmingly Christian if I'm not mistaken yet a bunch of Muslim militants just executed some 20 people there, reportedly for not being able to recite verses from the Quran or some such shit.

And we've seen stuff like that in the west as well, though typically in the form of bombing.
Point is, Christianity's mostly ran the gamut of secularism, and they've learned that following their religious laws to the letter is likely to get them a smack from the government/police. Islam hasn't really had that yet, their governments are mostly still very theocratic and tacitly support most of what they do.

Like a child that's been taught discipline vs a child that's left to run wild.

There's only a handful of theocratic Islamic governments.
Most obvious example is the Islamic Republic of Iran of course, let's be charitable and include IS, and Pakistan.
While Pakistan may not be a "theocratic" government to the extent of others today, it was islamised in the 1970s as government policy, which is what has arguably led to the rise of Islamic terrorism in the west of the country and along the Afghan border.

I guess the Saudis are probably theocrats? Most countries are "just" muslim majority than actual theocracies, and most of the Ba'athist states were officially secular (Syria, Iraq among others).

[Edding]

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

The Old testament laws were instructions given to a specific tribe in a very violent era in history. Show me something NT and you'll have an argument. Notice you had been asked to provide an example of Jesus demanding violence against unbelievers.

[Alvecia]

And we've seen stuff like that in the west as well, though typically in the form of bombing.
Point is, Christianity's mostly ran the gamut of secularism, and they've learned that following their religious laws to the letter is likely to get them a smack from the government/police. Islam hasn't really had that yet, their governments are mostly still very theocratic and tacitly support most of what they do.

Like a child that's been taught discipline vs a child that's left to run wild.

There's only a handful of theocratic Islamic governments.
Most obvious example is the Islamic Republic of Iran of course, let's be charitable and include IS, and Pakistan.
While Pakistan may not be a "theocratic" government to the extent of others today, it was islamised in the 1970s as government policy, which is what has arguably led to the rise of Islamic terrorism in the west of the country and along the Afghan border.

I guess the Saudis are probably theocrats? Most countries are "just" muslim majority than actual theocracies, and most of the Ba'athist states were officially secular (Syria, Iraq among others).

I'd argue that there's only a handful of overtly theocratic Islamic governments.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." -- Dt.13:6-10

That's from the OT, no? If so, it has little to no bearing on modern Christians unless they're from some weird ass denomination.

[Amuaplye]

Considering how violent the Old Testament is that should say something.

Ja, but you don't see christians or jews committing these acts very often, now do you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennia ... rk_bombing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_ ... d_shooting
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -convicted

Want attacks commited by Jews? Here's some:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Tel_ ... r_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Natan-Zada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_t ... s_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassina ... zhak_Rabin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack
It's not just Muslims.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's in the bible too, y'know.

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

Ooh, do I get to play the "Crusades" card now?

[Alvecia]

The Old testament laws were instructions given to a specific tribe in a very violent era in history. Show me something NT and you'll have an argument.

There's that cherry picking I mentioned earlier.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Old testament laws were instructions given to a specific tribe in a very violent era in history. Show me something NT and you'll have an argument.

There's that cherry picking I mentioned earlier.

It's not cherry picking, you just don't understand Christian theology.

And this is coming from a filthy pagan.

[Neutraligon]

Considering how violent the Old Testament is that should say something.

Ja, but you don't see christians or jews committing these acts very often, now do you?

My point being that just because the Holy book is violent it does not mean the religion itself is.

[Edding]

Where? Please do tell me where exactly Jesus ask Christians to subjugate enemies by fire and sword or tell us the sweetest thing one can do (and his only sure way to get into heaven) is to die waging an Holy War against the infidels like Mahomet asked his own followers to.

Ooh, do I get to play the "Crusades" card now?

Nope, because the Pope at the time pulled them out of his robe.

[Imperializt Russia]

That's from the OT, no? If so, it has little to no bearing on modern Christians unless they're from some weird ass denomination.

And yet I'm pretty sure little if any of the gay-bashing passages are from the New Testament, so clearly a lot of attention and value is placed - even if just "this lets me legitimise my views" style - upon the Old Testament.

[Aelex]

Ooh, do I get to play the "Crusades" card now?

Well, Crusades haven't theological nor scriptural backing in Christianity unlike Djihads do in Islam as the first were called and waged by Mahomet himself. :^)

[Edding]

My point being that just because the Holy book is violent it does not mean the religion itself is.

Misunderstood, sorry.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ooh, do I get to play the "Crusades" card now?

Nope, because the Pope at the time pulled them out of his robe.

And yet is happened, and the crusaders were told their actions would be blessed and forgiven, and permitted ascension to heaven if they died fighting to retake the holy lands.

So clearly it counts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's from the OT, no? If so, it has little to no bearing on modern Christians unless they're from some weird ass denomination.

And yet I'm pretty sure little if any of the gay-bashing passages are from the New Testament, so clearly a lot of attention and value is placed - even if just "this lets me legitimise my views" style - upon the Old Testament.

There's a few NT verses (I can think of 2 or 3) dealing with homosexuality, if I'm not mistaken it is still said to be sinful or whatnot.

At least Jesus doesn't say to fucking murderify them though.

[Edding]

Nope, because the Pope at the time pulled them out of his robe.

And yet is happened, and the crusaders were told their actions would be blessed and forgiven, and permitted ascension to heaven if they died fighting to retake the holy lands.

So clearly it counts.

Again, pope pulled it out of his ass, and was not the founder of the religion.
As another poster mentioned, Islam's founder did indeed engage in sectarian violence.