The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Questers]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

Most Christians I know have never read the Bible, but that's just my own personal experience.

[Glamour]

Be careful - modern feminism is actually pro IS.

Modern feminism is pro IS? How so? Let me guess: because LOOK! OVER THERE!

HILLARY!

I hope Donald enjoyed his sword dance in Saudi Arabia. And modern feminism is not entirely pro or anti any one particular issue.

[Questers]

Since the U.K. lacks a singular constitutional document protecting the rights of the citizen they are instead governed by the code of practice for the detention, treatment and questioning of persons by police officers in this case.

The only real notable difference here would be that the British approach is somewhat stricter as the officer is supposed to advise the suspect of their right to remain silent as soon as their is reasonable grounds to detain them. The American Miranda rule only applies when they're in custody and being interrogated.

In the U.K. the prosecution may bring up areas where the defendant refused to answer questions, in the U.S. you can't use their silence against them.

https://archive.org/stream/officialdocuments_uk_9780108511691/9780108511691_djvu.txt

This is the link to the entire document, most of it is insuring that those being questioned have access to needs such as bathrooms, legal consul, and etc.

In layman's terms an Officer of the law may approach you and ask you questions, but it is your right not to reply and even walk away as long as you are not being detained.

For a detention the officer need only have reasonable suspicion.

There is a difference between a detention and an arrest, you can read more about that here.

http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/arrests_and_searches/arrest-detention.htm

This is all pretty much correct.

I will add that until New Labour Britain did actually have absolute right to silence, as the US does. Judges instructed Juries that they could not infer guilt from silence. As you noted, that's no longer the case.

[Questers]

Be careful - modern feminism is actually pro IS.

Modern feminism is pro IS? How so? Let me guess: because LOOK! OVER THERE!

HILLARY!

I hope Donald enjoyed his sword dance in Saudi Arabia. And modern feminism is not entirely pro or anti any one particular issue.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good women to do nothing.

[Galloism]

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Feminism thread, men's movement thread, MRA thread, or your own thread.

Your choice. You put my name in the post, and I will come.

[Glamour]

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Feminism thread, men's movement thread, MRA thread, or your own thread.

Your choice. You put my name in the post, and I will come.

I'm not interested in whether you come. I'm sure you would, and quickly. And I'm not running around after you. I think we will call it a closed case instead.

[Glamour]

Modern feminism is pro IS? How so? Let me guess: because LOOK! OVER THERE!

HILLARY!

I hope Donald enjoyed his sword dance in Saudi Arabia. And modern feminism is not entirely pro or anti any one particular issue.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good women to do nothing.

Yes, blame it all on those women.

[Questers]

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good women to do nothing.

Yes, blame it all on those women.

I am not blaming "it" (whatever you think this is) on them - modern feminists just happen to be a fifth column.

[Mostrov]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

I agree that it is interesting, and indeed useful for understanding a very large area of the globe, but from what I have seen it compares poorly to Christian theology. There still are debates about whether the world is flat or not after all.

[Nakena]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

The current generation of radical Islamists is theologically less educated than their predecessors who also happened often to be engineers. Now it's mostly former petty criminals. It's a new wave of radical islamic terrorism, different than that of the 00s.

[Uxupox]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

The current generation of radical Islamists is theologically less educated than their predecessors who also happened often to be engineers. Now it's mostly former petty criminals. It's a new wave of radical islamic terrorism, different than that of the 00s.

Says who?

[Glamour]

Yes, blame it all on those women.

I am not blaming "it" (whatever you think this is) on them - modern feminists just happen to be a fifth column.

By it, I mean whatever you mean when you say evil. I'm reacting to what you said. Modern feminists are a fifth column? What, in your mind, are they propping up? And with whom? Modern feminists are hand in hand with IS? Who are the other columns? Gays? Liberals? Religious people of any kind? Refugees? I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're talking about. Do you think everyone is against you, or do you perhaps think that you should consider whether our society should have more appreciation for women's issues and maybe stop bickering about whether or not we should value progress? If not, what should it be like? Saudi Arabia but without the Islam? Do you understand what the process of getting to that point would look like?

Is it really a case of Hillary selling arms to the Saudis and so on, and that is why you believe feminists support IS? Well, who just did a £110 billion weapons deal with ISIS? It wasn't Hillary. It was someone who not only did it, but lied about the possibility that he was going to do it. Is that okay? Why? Because he isn't Hillary? Because he wrote "The Art of the Deal", whereas she just spent her life working in and studying politics and current affairs? Seriously.

[Vassenor]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

The current generation of radical Islamists is theologically less educated than their predecessors who also happened often to be engineers. Now it's mostly former petty criminals. It's a new wave of radical islamic terrorism, different than that of the 00s.

Even then they're only believing this interpretation because it's what's been preached to them by the crazy ones. Most of them probably haven't read scripture for themselves.

[Questers]

I am not blaming "it" (whatever you think this is) on them - modern feminists just happen to be a fifth column.

By it, I mean whatever you mean when you say evil. I'm reacting to what you said. Modern feminists are a fifth column? What, in your mind, are they propping up? And with whom? Modern feminists are hand in hand with IS? Who are the other columns? Gays? Liberals? Religious people of any kind? Refugees? I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're talking about. Do you think everyone is against you, or do you perhaps think that you should consider whether our society should have more appreciation for women's issues and maybe stop bickering about whether or not we should value progress? If not, what should it be like? Saudi Arabia but without the Islam? Do you understand what the process of getting to that point would look like?

Is it really a case of Hillary selling arms to the Saudis and so on, and that is why you believe feminists support IS? Well, who just did a £110 billion weapons deal with ISIS? It wasn't Hillary. It was someone who not only did it, but lied about the possibility that he was going to do it. Is that okay? Why? Because he isn't Hillary? Because he wrote "The Art of the Deal", whereas she just spent her life working in and studying politics and current affairs? Seriously.

You are like a train going in the wrong direction at maximum speed.

[Galloism]

Feminism thread, men's movement thread, MRA thread, or your own thread.

Your choice. You put my name in the post, and I will come.

I'm not interested in whether you come. I'm sure you would, and quickly. And I'm not running around after you. I think we will call it a closed case instead.

Come, or don't come. You have your answer. I will not clutter this thread further on this subject.

[Questers]

Well, just like Christian theology, there's an incredible amount to learn in Islamic theology - probably more than a non-Muslim can handle simply because we're not instructed in it since birth. But I'd always like to learn more about it: the problem is just time.

I agree that it is interesting, and indeed useful for understanding a very large area of the globe, but from what I have seen it compares poorly to Christian theology. There still are debates about whether the world is flat or not after all.

Is it surprising? There are elements of Christianity which have some unusual debates. But yes, the Islamic world is a whole other place. From my POV it suffers the same problems as the other big spiritual and fatalist religions like Catholicism and Buddhism.

[Glamour]

By it, I mean whatever you mean when you say evil. I'm reacting to what you said. Modern feminists are a fifth column? What, in your mind, are they propping up? And with whom? Modern feminists are hand in hand with IS? Who are the other columns? Gays? Liberals? Religious people of any kind? Refugees? I'm genuinely trying to understand what you're talking about. Do you think everyone is against you, or do you perhaps think that you should consider whether our society should have more appreciation for women's issues and maybe stop bickering about whether or not we should value progress? If not, what should it be like? Saudi Arabia but without the Islam? Do you understand what the process of getting to that point would look like?

Is it really a case of Hillary selling arms to the Saudis and so on, and that is why you believe feminists support IS? Well, who just did a £110 billion weapons deal with ISIS? It wasn't Hillary. It was someone who not only did it, but lied about the possibility that he was going to do it. Is that okay? Why? Because he isn't Hillary? Because he wrote "The Art of the Deal", whereas she just spent her life working in and studying politics and current affairs? Seriously.

You are like a train going in the wrong direction at maximum speed.

There are no stops along your route. That is why. Your train of thought was never made any clearer than "modern feminists support IS. At that point you were a train that had already crashed. Forgive me for trying to get you to rationalise your thoughts.

I failed to do so.

[Questers]

Forgive me for trying to get you to rationalise your thoughts.

I failed to do so.

You didn't even try - you rationalised my thoughts for me. I don't respond to character assassination.

[Questers]

(I actually also rationalised it before that post, so I should amend: I don't respond to illiterate character assassinations).

[Nakena]

The current generation of radical Islamists is theologically less educated than their predecessors who also happened often to be engineers. Now it's mostly former petty criminals. It's a new wave of radical islamic terrorism, different than that of the 00s.

Says who?

Pretty much everything I read up on the matter in the past Years. The first generation of Al-Qaida terrorists (and islamists in general) were highly educated middle-class People, often comming from an engineering background and extensive knowledge of Theology and related matters. Which is also why their attacks were more sophisticated and devasting than the majority of the current ones.

The recent Generation of radical islamic terrorists got their indoctrination over the internet or are in some cases i'd say copycat attackers who look for opportunistic targets. They are often from a lower background, former street criminals who suddenly found a sense in life by islam. Thats a completly different thing than the Engineers.

The Manchester attack however, falls out of this pattern as it was definetively more sophistiacted and involved some planning. So this may not be true for this time.

[Ethel mermania]

So I just got back from watching the game in a pub in the city centre. It was weird.

The place was full, the sun was out, there were kids playing in the fountain in Piccadilly Gardens. But it was quiet. Even the pub I was in was quiet, the only real noise was for the goals.

But if you're hungry then it would be a good place to be. Can't walk 50 feet without some group offering to feed you for free. The Sikh lot had some curry type thing that smelled amazing.....

Nice to see the community coming together.

[Glamour]

Forgive me for trying to get you to rationalise your thoughts.

I failed to do so.

You didn't even try - you rationalised my thoughts for me. I don't respond to character assassination.

When you make a statement like, "modern feminism supports IS", you are going to be questioned. I'm sorry if you find your character to be dead as a result.

[Uxupox]

Says who?

Pretty much everything I read up on the matter in the past Years. The first generation of Al-Qaida terrorists (and islamists in general) were highly educated middle-class People, often comming from an engineering background and extensive knowledge of Theology and related matters. Which is also why their attacks were more sophisticated and devasting than the majority of the current ones.

The recent Generation of radical islamic terrorists got their indoctrination over the internet or are in some cases i'd say copycat attackers who look for opportunistic targets. They are often from a lower background, former street criminals who suddenly found a sense in life by islam. Thats a completly different thing than the Engineers.

The Manchester attack however, falls out of this pattern as it was definetively more sophistiacted and involved some planning. So this may not be true for this time.

Source?

[Mostrov]

Even then they're only believing this interpretation because it's what's been preached to them by the crazy ones. Most of them probably haven't read scripture for themselves.

I'm sure that is easy to think, but Jihadist literature actually has a very strong tradition and in Islamic terms it isn't unsound. There is a reason a meek scholar became the head of the most successful jihadist group instead of a hardened fighter.