The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Imperializt Russia]

"Terrorism"

It's simply pure coincidence that most terror in the world is committed by those adhering to Islam.

No, most incidents of "terror", and the death toll resulting from them, are occurring in states that happen to be both Muslim-majority (so much for the culture war theory) and in a civil war.

[Imperializt Russia]

So the grapevine claims Ariana Grande has offered to pay for all 22 funerals. Sweet gesture if true

Also heard she might not do live performances either. Allegedly, she's taking it pretty hard.

This is a widely-circulated, completely unverified claim to my knowledge.

There's been a lot of "fake news" going around Twitter - faked lost family members, faked missing family members, Ariana Grande quitting music, and the Oldham hospital gunman who - as it did indeed transpire - never existed.

[Edding]

It's simply pure coincidence that most terror in the world is committed by those adhering to Islam.

No, most incidents of "terror", and the death toll resulting from them, are occurring in states that happen to be both Muslim-majority (so much for the culture war theory) and in a civil war.

None of that contradicts what was said. Sure, most Islamic terrorism takes place within Muslim-majority countries, for fairly obvious reasons.

[Ifreann]

"Terror attack in Manchester"
So vague as to be useless
"Islamic terror attack in Manchester"
Grade A reporting, public well informed

Call it by what it is and this goes for other grups that use similar methods to subject others in their way of thinking.

Why, exactly? If it feeds into the propaganda of groups like ISIS to paint this as some Islam v. The West thing, shouldn't we avoid doing that where we can? Is there a benefit to wedging "Islamic" into every headline and statement that outweighs that potential cost?

[Imperializt Russia]

No, most incidents of "terror", and the death toll resulting from them, are occurring in states that happen to be both Muslim-majority (so much for the culture war theory) and in a civil war.

None of that contradicts what was said. Sure, most Islamic terrorism takes place within Muslim-majority countries, for fairly obvious reasons.

"Most terror in the world is done by X" is surprisingly meaningless. It's usually defined by bodycount, a pretty meaningless metric when you think about it, and therefore, the five middle eastern civil wars top the list.

This is like those climate deniers who go "follow the money!" and prove that government research grants are paid to researchers to do research.
It's redundant.

[The Alma Mater]

Also heard she might not do live performances either. Allegedly, she's taking it pretty hard.

This is a widely-circulated, completely unverified claim to my knowledge.

There's been a lot of "fake news" going around Twitter - faked lost family members, faked missing family members, Ariana Grande quitting music, and the Oldham hospital gunman who - as it did indeed transpire - never existed.

Hence the "grapevine" and "if true".
I do hope it is though. She has no obligation whatsoever, obviously*, but it would be sweet.

Less sweet: Ajax will not be wearing mourning bands tonight. I would have preferred if they did; if only out of respect for their opponent.

* Arguably the family of the killer and his Imam do have some obligation.

[Eastfield Lodge]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

As far as I'm concerned there is 1.2 billion people connected with this.

Death penalty for all Muslims when?

[Ifreann]

This is a widely-circulated, completely unverified claim to my knowledge.

There's been a lot of "fake news" going around Twitter - faked lost family members, faked missing family members, Ariana Grande quitting music, and the Oldham hospital gunman who - as it did indeed transpire - never existed.

Hence the "grapevine" and "if true".
I do hope it is though. She has no obligation whatsoever, obviously*, but it would be sweet.

Less sweet: Ajax will not be wearing mourning bands tonight. I would have preferred if they did; if only out of respect for their opponent.

* Arguably the family of the killer and his Imam do have some obligation.

Saddling innocent people with substantial debts because they know/are related to someone who killed people doesn't sound like a very nice thing to do.

[Luminesa]

Call it by what it is and this goes for other grups that use similar methods to subject others in their way of thinking.

Why, exactly? If it feeds into the propaganda of groups like ISIS to paint this as some Islam v. The West thing, shouldn't we avoid doing that where we can? Is there a benefit to wedging "Islamic" into every headline and statement that outweighs that potential cost?

And if we let that keep us from going after ISIS, then ISIS is going to take over the Middle East. It's funny, some people only seem to care about the sentiments of Muslims when people talk about going to war with ISIS. It's almost like those people are saying that all Muslims support ISIS, and that all Muslims are going to join in the efforts to fight the United States and her allies, thus relating all Muslims to terrorists and thus turning all Muslims into terrorists! But hey, the people who want to fight Islamic terrorism, they're the problem!

[Kramania]

It's simply pure coincidence that most terror in the world is committed by those adhering to Islam.

No, most incidents of "terror", and the death toll resulting from them, are occurring in states that happen to be both Muslim-majority (so much for the culture war theory) and in a civil war.

Muslims killing Muslims. Shocking.

And that doesn't really dispute what I said. It is being committed by Muslims. Whether or not they are killing Muslims or Buddhists is immaterial.

[Liriena]

So the grapevine claims Ariana Grande has offered to pay for all 22 funerals. Sweet gesture if true

Also heard she might not do live performances either. Allegedly, she's taking it pretty hard.

One of my country's biggest news outlets had the worst headline ever for her reaction to this horror.

"Histérica", Ariana Grande suspendió el resto de su gira mundial por el ataque terrorista en Manchester

Translation: "Hysteric", Ariana Grande suspended the rest of her world tour over the terrorist attack in Manchester

I despise our media with every fiber of my being sometimes.

[Frank Zipper]

Also a fanatical devotion to one's faith.

And nice red uniforms.

[Ifreann]

Also a fanatical devotion to one's faith.

And nice red uniforms.

And surprise!

[Zanera]

Also heard she might not do live performances either. Allegedly, she's taking it pretty hard.

One of my country's biggest news outlets had the worst headline ever for her reaction to this horror.

"Histérica", Ariana Grande suspendió el resto de su gira mundial por el ataque terrorista en Manchester

Translation: "Hysteric", Ariana Grande suspended the rest of her world tour over the terrorist attack in Manchester

I despise our media with every fiber of my being sometimes.

"She's really upset after people got suicide bombed at her concert? What a crybaby."

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Historically empires have made conditions even worse for the terrorists, and historically thats worked.

Capitulation gets us no where.

Historically empires have built their fortunes on slavery, and historically that's worked.

Legalize slavery, y'all!

Slavery is no longer necessary as we've simply replaced the people with machines.

If you wanted to get all meta you could say the machines are slaves.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

But seriously, we could just start disrespecting the bodies of terrorists with bacon and etc.

Make it spiritually not worth it for them.

Right. Because, as we all know, brutalizing corpses makes people respect you more.

You think they respect us now? In war you typically don't go for respect.

[Imperializt Russia]

Historically empires have built their fortunes on slavery, and historically that's worked.

Legalize slavery, y'all!

Slavery is no longer necessary as we've simply replaced the people with machines.

If you wanted to get all meta you could say the machines are slaves.

No, we've replaced it by outsourcing sweatshop labour in Asia, who by western standards, are basically slaves.

[Imperializt Russia]

Right. Because, as we all know, brutalizing corpses makes people respect you more.

You think they respect us now? In war you typically don't go for respect.

We're not at war with Islam.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Slavery is no longer necessary as we've simply replaced the people with machines.

If you wanted to get all meta you could say the machines are slaves.

No, we've replaced it by outsourcing sweatshop labour in Asia, who by western standards, are basically slaves.

This is true to an extent.

Much of our farming in the states is done by machines now though, Asia mostly focuses on textiles and plastics.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

You think they respect us now? In war you typically don't go for respect.

We're not at war with Islam.

We're at war with religious extremists who happen to be of the Islamic faith.

[Edding]

You think they respect us now? In war you typically don't go for respect.

We're not at war with Islam.

He wasn't, at any point saying 'we' were. Best read the earlier context to all that.

[Ethel mermania]

Hence the "grapevine" and "if true".
I do hope it is though. She has no obligation whatsoever, obviously*, but it would be sweet.

Less sweet: Ajax will not be wearing mourning bands tonight. I would have preferred if they did; if only out of respect for their opponent.

* Arguably the family of the killer and his Imam do have some obligation.

Saddling innocent people with substantial debts because they know/are related to someone who killed people doesn't sound like a very nice thing to do.

Most people would consixer Blowing up children trying to attend a concert, not a very nice thing to do either.

[Imperializt Russia]

We're not at war with Islam.

We're at war with religious extremists who happen to be of the Islamic faith.

It'd be like going to war with Russia, and then every time NATO troops bury some Russian dead, they desecrate some representation of a holy object from the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Why?

[Imperializt Russia]

Saddling innocent people with substantial debts because they know/are related to someone who killed people doesn't sound like a very nice thing to do.

Most people would consixer Blowing up children trying to attend a concert, not a very nice thing to do either.

The war reparations imposed on Germany after WWI were totally a great, uncontroversial thing with no negative consequences.

[Edding]

We're at war with religious extremists who happen to be of the Islamic faith.

It'd be like going to war with Russia, and then every time NATO troops bury some Russian dead, they desecrate some representation of a holy object from the Eastern Orthodox Church.

I can't really imagine it would.

First of all, the Russians, more than likely would not be going to war in the name of religion. If they did, even that would be different from cowardly attacks on civilians.