The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Luminesa]

An not address the source of thereof?

Saudi Arabia?

And various other governments that push terrorism as well. Though yes. Saudi Arabia of course.

[The Alma Mater]

Alright, so Point A (Islamic Terrorism exists) often has trouble getting to Point B (Islamic terrorism is acknowledged and considered). Instead of ignoring Point A, then, let's maybe build the bridge between Point A and Point B, instead of strawmanning your opponent saying, "Hey, you probably hate Islam because you acknowledge Islamic terrorism!" No, I acknowledge that the problem exists, and I want to solve it. Nothing can be done, for better or for worse, if the problem is not acknowledged.

Except that experts in terrorism have often said that talking about "Islamic terrorism" only serves as a propoganda tool for the terrorists, as it creates a perception of the West being against Islam and frames this as a civilizational conflict, making their propoganda work easier. More precise language going after the groups in question has been far more advised than talking about "Islamic terrorism"

So, follow Trumps suggestion to call them "losers" instead ?

[Vassenor]

Except that experts in terrorism have often said that talking about "Islamic terrorism" only serves as a propoganda tool for the terrorists, as it creates a perception of the West being against Islam and frames this as a civilizational conflict, making their propoganda work easier. More precise language going after the groups in question has been far more advised than talking about "Islamic terrorism"

The problem is this needs to be weaved through. Islamic terrorism does exist, and is a growing problem in many poor and unstable countries. It is a very specific form of terrorism, and it needs to be fought, not ignored or shoved under the rug. Of course, the problem here is that, yes, it's very easy for ISIS and whatnot to twist the U.S.'s actions as "imperialism", but that cannot keep a hold over the U.S. forever.

So we need people to associate Islam and Terrorism, even if that results in innocent people being harmed?

[Proctopeo]

Except that experts in terrorism have often said that talking about "Islamic terrorism" only serves as a propoganda tool for the terrorists, as it creates a perception of the West being against Islam and frames this as a civilizational conflict, making their propoganda work easier. More precise language going after the groups in question has been far more advised than talking about "Islamic terrorism"

So, follow Trumps suggestion to call them "losers" instead ?

Evil losers.

[Uxupox]

An not address the source of thereof?

Saudi Arabia?

Wabhahism is not the only version of Islan that uses such methods.

[Liriena]

So, follow Trumps suggestion to call them "losers" instead ?

Evil losers.

He truly has the "best" words.

[The Alma Mater]

So, follow Trumps suggestion to call them "losers" instead ?

Evil losers.

Nono, they LIKE being called evil. Being called evil by "the great Satan" means you are doing something GOOD after all.

Just losers.

EDIT: if the mods allow that that is. It would count as political nicknaming...

[Proctopeo]

Evil losers.

He truly has the "best" words.

They're great. Terrific! The best words in the history of words, maybe ever.

[Athrax]

So, follow Trumps suggestion to call them "losers" instead ?

Evil losers.

Evil losers in life

[Frank Zipper]

Saudi Arabia?

Wabhahism is not the only version of Islan that uses such methods.

But most of what gets generalised as Islamic terrorism is really Saudi Wahhabist terrorism.

[Ifreann]

"Terrorism"

An not address the source of thereof?

"Terror attack in Manchester"
So vague as to be useless
"Islamic terror attack in Manchester"
Grade A reporting, public well informed

[Imperializt Russia]

"Terrorism"

An not address the source of thereof?

Islam ain't the source buddy.

[Uxupox]

Wabhahism is not the only version of Islan that uses such methods.

But most of what gets generalised as Islamic terrorism is really Saudi Wahhabist terrorism.

Not really.

[Imperializt Russia]

But most of what gets generalised as Islamic terrorism is really Saudi Wahhabist terrorism.

Not really.

uhh-huh?

"Islamic terrorism" is primarily sunni, and bankrolled by wahhabists.
Where are wahhabists socially dominant? Saudi Arabia.

[Uxupox]

Not really.

uhh-huh?

"Islamic terrorism" is primarily sunni, and bankrolled by wahhabists.
Where are wahhabists socially dominant? Saudi Arabia.

Source for your claim?

[Gauthier]

The problem is this needs to be weaved through. Islamic terrorism does exist, and is a growing problem in many poor and unstable countries. It is a very specific form of terrorism, and it needs to be fought, not ignored or shoved under the rug. Of course, the problem here is that, yes, it's very easy for ISIS and whatnot to twist the U.S.'s actions as "imperialism", but that cannot keep a hold over the U.S. forever.

So we need people to associate Islam and Terrorism, even if that results in innocent people being harmed?

No, what results is Fighting Terrorism, get it right!

[The Alma Mater]

So the grapevine claims Ariana Grande has offered to pay for all 22 funerals. Sweet gesture if true

[Lady Scylla]

So the grapevine claims Ariana Grande has offered to pay for all 22 funerals. Sweet gesture if true

Also heard she might not do live performances either. Allegedly, she's taking it pretty hard.

[Uxupox]

An not address the source of thereof?

"Terror attack in Manchester"
So vague as to be useless
"Islamic terror attack in Manchester"
Grade A reporting, public well informed

Call it by what it is and this goes for other grups that use similar methods to subject others in their way of thinking.

[Wustenberg]

uhh-huh?

"Islamic terrorism" is primarily sunni, and bankrolled by wahhabists.
Where are wahhabists socially dominant? Saudi Arabia.

Source for your claim?

Any cursory research will reveal enough, such as this article from the New York times from August of last year.

To quote Mr. Shane's first two lines;

"Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump do not agree on much, but Saudi Arabia may be an exception. She has deplored Saudi Arabia's support for "radical schools and mosques around the world that have set too many young people on a path towards extremism." He has called the Saudis "the world's biggest funders of terrorism."

The first American diplomat to serveas envoy to Muslim communities around the world visited 80 countries and concluded that the Saudi influence was destroying tolerant Islamic traditions. "If the Saudis do not cease what they are doing," the official, Farah Pandith, wrote last year, "there must be diplomatic, cultural, and economic consequences."

[Kramania]

If isn't connected to them. It's connected to their faith.

There's a difference.

A big problem for me is people being overly willing to tie together their criticism of Islam as an institution with feeling towards Muslims that leads so often to any talk on the issue devolving quickly into rather unsavory phrases being tossed at whole populations of people.

But it is connected to Islam as an institution. Islam has yet to go through any sort of reformation as Christianity has. Today's Islam is still the same Islam it was 1000 years ago. It needs to evolve or die.

[Kramania]

An not address the source of thereof?

The source of terrorism is a sense of detatchment, isolation, abandonment, etc. Poverty and mental health play a much bigger role in determining all forms of crime, including terrorism, than the religion of an individual.

Also a fanatical devotion to one's faith.

[Kramania]

How the hell are we supposed to name them then?

"Terrorism"

It's simply pure coincidence that most terror in the world is committed by those adhering to Islam.

[Luminesa]

The problem is this needs to be weaved through. Islamic terrorism does exist, and is a growing problem in many poor and unstable countries. It is a very specific form of terrorism, and it needs to be fought, not ignored or shoved under the rug. Of course, the problem here is that, yes, it's very easy for ISIS and whatnot to twist the U.S.'s actions as "imperialism", but that cannot keep a hold over the U.S. forever.

So we need people to associate Islam and Terrorism, even if that results in innocent people being harmed?

No, we need them to know that Islamic terrorism exists. Of course, you're too bent on painting everyone who disagrees as Islamophobes to listen, but there do exist terrorist cells that are Islamic. We don't need people to see Muslims as being all terrorists. However, this particular brand of terrorism that has stemmed from Wahhabism and Salafism-fundamentalist cells that are bent on violence-and needs to be acknowledged. Of course, then, if you say then that this means that I think all Muslims should be branded as terrorists, then you're also assuming that all Muslims are Wahhabi or Salafi, and thus you are assuming that all Muslims are terrorists. So it begins and ends with you, not me.

[Luminesa]

So we need people to associate Islam and Terrorism, even if that results in innocent people being harmed?

No, what results is Fighting Terrorism, get it right!

George Bush appreciates your support, my fellow compatriot.