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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed May 24, 2017 8:04 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:But not to make them well.

Accounts seem to suggest a high level of sophistication in the device. It would take a considerable amount of "beginner's luck" to construct it so competently.


You don't need to make it to have huge radius of effect. Just enough to kill within a 25 m radius to be effective.

Terror groups have specialist "bomb-makers" for a reason, y'know.

The IRA's parliament-mortar was constructed and set up by two of the IRA's most skilled technicians - an explosives expert, and a gunnery expert.
And they still missed.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed May 24, 2017 8:06 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
You don't need to make it to have huge radius of effect. Just enough to kill within a 25 m radius to be effective.

Terror groups have specialist "bomb-makers" for a reason, y'know.

The IRA's parliament-mortar was constructed and set up by two of the IRA's most skilled technicians - an explosives expert, and a gunnery expert.
And they still missed.


The IRA also had access to plenty of semtex. Bomb making is much easier when it's just plug and play...

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Postby Frank Zipper » Wed May 24, 2017 8:07 am

Do we know what explosive was used yet?
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Postby Uxupox » Wed May 24, 2017 8:07 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
You don't need to make it to have huge radius of effect. Just enough to kill within a 25 m radius to be effective.

Terror groups have specialist "bomb-makers" for a reason, y'know.

The IRA's parliament-mortar was constructed and set up by two of the IRA's most skilled technicians - an explosives expert, and a gunnery expert.
And they still missed.


Yea they do have specialist bomb-makers that are mostly responsible for the implementation of VBIED's or the stationary IED's. Though these "bomb-makers" also give schooling to their own in which it also becomes a sort of chain since these guys that got the basic schooling forward that knowledge to others.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 24, 2017 8:07 am

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Alvecia wrote:Could have been coerced maybe?


It's possible. We'll probably find out soon enough.

When the American press announces who the suspects are in time for them to leg it.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 24, 2017 8:08 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
You don't need to make it to have huge radius of effect. Just enough to kill within a 25 m radius to be effective.

Terror groups have specialist "bomb-makers" for a reason, y'know.

The IRA's parliament-mortar was constructed and set up by two of the IRA's most skilled technicians - an explosives expert, and a gunnery expert.
And they still missed.


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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 24, 2017 8:09 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Terror groups have specialist "bomb-makers" for a reason, y'know.

The IRA's parliament-mortar was constructed and set up by two of the IRA's most skilled technicians - an explosives expert, and a gunnery expert.
And they still missed.


The IRA also had access to plenty of semtex. Bomb making is much easier when it's just plug and play...


And when you have the Libyans telling you what to do.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed May 24, 2017 8:09 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Do we know what explosive was used yet?


Nope. I imagine that will be something to police don't release for a long time.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Wed May 24, 2017 8:11 am

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Frank Zipper wrote:Do we know what explosive was used yet?


Nope. I imagine that will be something to police don't release for a long time.


What do NBC say I wonder?
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:15 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
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Nope. I imagine that will be something to police don't release for a long time.


What do NBC say I wonder?

"We condemn extremism in some vague form."

There, I've predicted most of the American press.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 24, 2017 8:19 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nope. I imagine that will be something to police don't release for a long time.


What do NBC say I wonder?

"Here's how the Manchester bomb was made, in 7 easy steps:"

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Postby Liriena » Wed May 24, 2017 8:20 am

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What do NBC say I wonder?

"We condemn extremism in some vague form."

There, I've predicted most of the American press.

As opposed to the fearful, hysterical screeching about the entire Muslim faith and all Middle Eastern immigrants you'd clearly prefer.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed May 24, 2017 8:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The IRA also had access to plenty of semtex. Bomb making is much easier when it's just plug and play...


And when you have the Libyans telling you what to do.

Instructions on how ro make semtex can be found in most highschool chemistry books. It is not hard - which is ofc also part of the problem.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 24, 2017 8:22 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And when you have the Libyans telling you what to do.

Instructions on how ro make semtex can be found in most highschool chemistry books. It is not hard - which is ofc also part of the problem.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 24, 2017 8:25 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And when you have the Libyans telling you what to do.

Instructions on how ro make semtex can be found in most highschool chemistry books. It is not hard - which is ofc also part of the problem.


Hey, maybe you need to blow up an entire room full of vampires just to annoy everyone.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed May 24, 2017 8:28 am

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:"We condemn extremism in some vague form."

There, I've predicted most of the American press.

As opposed to the fearful, hysterical screeching about the entire Muslim faith and all Middle Eastern immigrants you'd clearly prefer.

Well, Islamic terrorism should at least be mentioned in-name, because it IS a threat. Thus, it is somewhat aggravating when news-stations are like, "Oh, hey, ISIS claimed responsibility and whatnot, but [x] was just...you know...common terrorism."
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:28 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And when you have the Libyans telling you what to do.

Instructions on how ro make semtex can be found in most highschool chemistry books. It is not hard - which is ofc also part of the problem.

ISIS also supplies its followers with instructions on how to conduct terror attacks.
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:29 am

Liriena wrote:
Kramania wrote:"We condemn extremism in some vague form."

There, I've predicted most of the American press.

As opposed to the fearful, hysterical screeching about the entire Muslim faith and all Middle Eastern immigrants you'd clearly prefer.

I seem to have skipped over your strawman. Now I had did I miss this post.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 24, 2017 8:29 am

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Liriena wrote:As opposed to the fearful, hysterical screeching about the entire Muslim faith and all Middle Eastern immigrants you'd clearly prefer.

Well, Islamic terrorism should at least be mentioned in-name, because it IS a threat. Thus, it is somewhat aggravating when news-stations are like, "Oh, hey, ISIS claimed responsibility and whatnot, but [x] was just...you know...common terrorism."


Or maybe we could try not trying to connect this to a billion innocent people in the minds of the public?
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:30 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:As opposed to the fearful, hysterical screeching about the entire Muslim faith and all Middle Eastern immigrants you'd clearly prefer.

Well, Islamic terrorism should at least be mentioned in-name, because it IS a threat. Thus, it is somewhat aggravating when news-stations are like, "Oh, hey, ISIS claimed responsibility and whatnot, but [x] was just...you know...common terrorism."

As opposed to when someone like Dylan Roof does something terrible. Then all we hear is screeching about "RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM".
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Well, Islamic terrorism should at least be mentioned in-name, because it IS a threat. Thus, it is somewhat aggravating when news-stations are like, "Oh, hey, ISIS claimed responsibility and whatnot, but [x] was just...you know...common terrorism."


Or maybe we could try not trying to connect this to a billion innocent people in the minds of the public?

If isn't connected to them. It's connected to their faith.

There's a difference.
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Postby Sareva » Wed May 24, 2017 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Well, Islamic terrorism should at least be mentioned in-name, because it IS a threat. Thus, it is somewhat aggravating when news-stations are like, "Oh, hey, ISIS claimed responsibility and whatnot, but [x] was just...you know...common terrorism."


Or maybe we could try not trying to connect this to a billion innocent people in the minds of the public?

Yes, continue to ignore the problem. Business as usual everyone, carry on.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 24, 2017 8:31 am

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Or maybe we could try not trying to connect this to a billion innocent people in the minds of the public?

Yes, continue to ignore the problem. Business as usual everyone, carry on.


So how is not creating faulty generalisations ignoring a problem?
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Postby Kramania » Wed May 24, 2017 8:33 am

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Sareva wrote:Yes, continue to ignore the problem. Business as usual everyone, carry on.


So how is not creating faulty generalisations ignoring a problem?

It's not a generalization. Saying "Islamic extremism" or "radical Islam" means just that, that it is extremism and radicalism. Outside of the norm.
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