The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Washington Resistance Army]

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not seeing a whole lot about tyranny. Then again everyone seems to ignore the "well regulated militia" bit as well when it's inconvenient for them, so...

No, we just know what it actually means.

But.. what does this have to do with the topic?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Hey, quick thing, this isn't a debate thread on the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, so knock it off. 22 people just died in a disgusting terror attack, let's talk about that instead.

Agreed. Shut up about guns this happened in a concert full of children and teenagers. A concert full of mostly children and teenagers, in other words why the fuck would you think guns would of solved this problem? All it would of done would of surely traumaized children and teens further.

Jesus Christ... do anyone of you people have any brains?

[Vassenor]

Hey, quick thing, this isn't a debate thread on the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, so knock it off. 22 people just died in a disgusting terror attack, let's talk about that instead.

Agreed. Shut up about guns this happened in a concert full of children and teenagers. A concert full of mostly children and teenagers, in other words why the fuck would you think guns would of solved this problem? All it would of done would of surely traumaized children and teens further.

Jesus Christ... do anyone of you people have any brains?

Like I said before, "this wouldn't have happened if there were more guns" seems like a stock response to any sort of terrorist incident.

[Cabra West]

Like I said before, "this wouldn't have happened if there were more guns" seems like a stock response to any sort of terrorist incident.

The only thing stops a bad guy with a home-made explosive suicide device is a good guy with a home-made explosive suicide device...

The logic still escapes me, I admit.

[Minzerland II]

This is a seperate conversation to anything I've said prior. Source. Your. Claim.

Why? It's a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the historical context before and after it was written, and the history of the Confederacy established after the War of Independence.

"Defend against tyrannical government" is also an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, but fairly ahistorical. Said "tyrannical government" was the (technically) invading force of the British Empire that previously ruled them.
"Tyrannical state", the phrase most often quoted verbatim, does not appear in the 2nd Amendment.

Because you claim that to be the truth. That therefore requires proof, no?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The Second Amendment explicitly states, within its confines, that the primary function is to secure a free state. This obviously alludes to 'tyrannical government', which coincides with the influence of John Locke's philosophy on Colonial and Revolutionary America. With the following quote it is pretty obvious as to what they mean by 'militia': '[...]the right of the people to keep and bear Arms[...]'.

EDIT: I'm just going to stop here. If someone wishes to continue, we'll have to make a seperate thread.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Lets go make a new thread if we wanna keep going with that discussion folks.

[Imperializt Russia]

Like I said before, "this wouldn't have happened if there were more guns" seems like a stock response to any sort of terrorist incident.

Not an argument.

You're right, it isn't.

It doesn't stop it from being trotted out en masse every time.

[Vassenor]

You're right, it isn't.

It doesn't stop it from being trotted out en masse every time.

Still not an argument.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

[Vassenor]

I'm not sure I understand your point.

It's not an argument.

If you're talking about what I said, you're right. It's an observation.

[Gauthier]

Its not my job to sort through dogshit to determine if it has worms. And dont patronize me. That gets nowhere with me. I called your bluff, youve done nothing and clearly must take us for idiots if we're suppose to leap on that statement of yours as fact like we're a bunch of emotionally stunted quacks.

But let me break it down for you so you can understand. Stay with me.

-No proofs
-No argument

Read and repeat until you get it.

One day the idea that "that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" will sink in.

Rather difficult in a country that decided Feelings Matter More Than Facts.

[Kovacna]

One day the idea that "that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" will sink in.

Rather difficult in a country that decided Feelings Matter More Than Facts.

Feelings don't matter, your physical and financial safety does. And the endd justifies the means.

[Frank Zipper]

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

Whereas the US has a pretty much equally tyrannical government and a tyrannical gun lobby.

[Gauthier]

According to NBC the bomber had ties to AQ and had received training in Libya.

If true I'm actually kinda shocked it wasn't a Daeshbag for once.

It's like Al-Qaeda and Daesh are fighting it out to see who can be the most deplorable group of human beings possible.

At this point they well as might be publishing rap albums trash-talking each other.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's like Al-Qaeda and Daesh are fighting it out to see who can be the most deplorable group of human beings possible.

At this point they well as might be publishing rap albums trash-talking each other.

I imagine, somewhere on the internet, that might very well exist.

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

Whereas the US has a pretty much equally tyrannical government and a tyrannical gun lobby.

lol

[Lady Scylla]

"This is true because I said so" isn't really an argument.

No it is. It's just an incredibly weak argument opinion.

Fix'd. To the bin with such.

[Donut section]

No it is. It's just an incredibly weak argument opinion.

Fix'd. To the bin with such.

Same diff.

[Fartsniffage]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

[Washington Resistance Army]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

NBC claims he had ties to AQ, if that's the case they probably helped him get the bomb together and plan things.

[Ifreann]

Home Secretary Amber Rudd not best pleased with the US.

Counter-terrorism detectives have spoken in the past about how important it sometimes is for them that names of suspects do not make it into the media. They say a delay of around 36 hours, before the public know who they are investigating can allow them to arrest known associates of the suspect before they know police are looking for them.

Information about the bomber's identity first emerged in the US - with American TV networks CBS and NBC naming Abedi as the suspect.

So, I get why CBS and NBC would release Abedi's name. Gotta get dem ratings. But what gobshite US official got told Abedi's name and decided the thing to do was call the press?

[Donut section]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

As far as I'm concerned there is 1.2 billion people connected with this.

[Lady Scylla]

Home Secretary Amber Rudd not best pleased with the US.

Counter-terrorism detectives have spoken in the past about how important it sometimes is for them that names of suspects do not make it into the media. They say a delay of around 36 hours, before the public know who they are investigating can allow them to arrest known associates of the suspect before they know police are looking for them.

Information about the bomber's identity first emerged in the US - with American TV networks CBS and NBC naming Abedi as the suspect.

So, I get why CBS and NBC would release Abedi's name. Gotta get dem ratings. But what gobshite US official got told Abedi's name and decided the thing to do was call the press?

An idiot.

[Lady Scylla]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

As far as I'm concerned there is 1.2 billion people connected with this.

Lord help me.

[Frank Zipper]

So this isn't a lone wolf job.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

NBC claims he had ties to AQ, if that's the case they probably helped him get the bomb together and plan things.

The French claim he had ties to IS. The UK wish the US media wouldn't leak details of the bombers identity.

[Gauthier]

Home Secretary Amber Rudd not best pleased with the US.


So, I get why CBS and NBC would release Abedi's name. Gotta get dem ratings. But what gobshite US official got told Abedi's name and decided the thing to do was call the press?

An idiot.

In other words, a Trump appointee.

[Lady Scylla]

An idiot.

In other words, a Trump appointee.

Wouldn't surprise me.