The Manchester Attacks Megathread

[Uxupox]

It seemed to work in 1776 and in 1973.

With support of the France and when armies didn't have tanks and bombers. When US backed the army into taking over. That's 0/2?

The Taliban spring offensives are doing just quite fine against the coalition in Afghanistan.

[Uxupox]

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not seeing a whole lot about tyranny. Then again everyone seems to ignore the "well regulated militia" bit as well when it's inconvenient for them, so...

You fail to mention that "Militia" has an entire different meaning in the United States than in other countries.

[Ifreann]

Civilians overthrowing the government? Totally on topic. Because...um...something...

Subliminal messages in Ariana Grande songs encouraging young teenage girls to take up arms against the tyrannical government *nods*

Makes sense.

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Three more arrests today by police, the first arrest on Tuesday named as the bomber's older brother.

Hmm. Tories putting on a show of being the party that gets terrorists, or an actual threat of a follow-up attack?

[Imperializt Russia]

Gun crime in the UK is probably at a comfortably negligble level. You can never get rid of it completely. Adding more guns into the equation will probably only cause more problems than it's worth.

Really? Because Switzerland has mandatory gun ownership,

Except they don't, and they never have, but why let facts get in the way.

and somehow, they have very low gun crime rates.

And the occasional mass shooting, like the Zug Parliament Massacre.

Switzerland has or had mandatory military service. On being released from service, you were still conscripted militia. Every militiaman was issued a service rifle.
This is not "mandatory gun ownership". They were not permitted to use these weapons for anything but official military duty.
They were issued 72 rounds of sealed ammunition, which was periodically inspected at their homes. If the seal on the packaging was damaged, they had obviously committed an offence and would be imprisoned.

Since phasing out the elderly StG57, they have replaced the service arm with the SiG550 series rifle in the 5.56mm NATO cartridge. These weapons are no longer directly issued and not stored at militiamen's homes.

[Imperializt Russia]

None of which has anything to do with guns.

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

No it fucking isn't lol.

The point of the 2nd Amendment was because the states of the confederacy didn't want to pay taxes to the central government to pay for a standing army, so they had state militias do the job instead. They were worried about the British Empire coming back for another go, which occurred in the War of 1812.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not seeing a whole lot about tyranny. Then again everyone seems to ignore the "well regulated militia" bit as well when it's inconvenient for them, so...

You fail to mention that "Militia" has an entire different meaning in the United States than in other countries.

No, it means the exact same thing as it does everywhere else.

A military force of volunteers, not a standing army, acting in common defence of the people and the state.
Just that for some reason, you chose to include a definition saying "everyone is a militiaman unless otherwise noted" on top of that.

[Minzerland II]

The point of the 2nd Amendment is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. In the UK, because you failed to recognize gun rights, you have a tyrannical government.

No it fucking isn't lol.

The point of the 2nd Amendment was because the states of the confederacy didn't want to pay taxes to the central government to pay for a standing army, so they had state militias do the job instead. They were worried about the British Empire coming back for another go, which occurred in the War of 1812.

Source?

[Imperializt Russia]

No it fucking isn't lol.

The point of the 2nd Amendment was because the states of the confederacy didn't want to pay taxes to the central government to pay for a standing army, so they had state militias do the job instead. They were worried about the British Empire coming back for another go, which occurred in the War of 1812.

Source?

Common sense

[Philjia]

No it fucking isn't lol.

The point of the 2nd Amendment was because the states of the confederacy didn't want to pay taxes to the central government to pay for a standing army, so they had state militias do the job instead. They were worried about the British Empire coming back for another go, which occurred in the War of 1812.

Source?

Have you read the Second Amendment?

[Uxupox]

You fail to mention that "Militia" has an entire different meaning in the United States than in other countries.

No, it means the exact same thing as it does everywhere else.

A military force of volunteers, not a standing army, acting in common defence of the people and the state.
Just that for some reason, you chose to include a definition saying "everyone is a militiaman unless otherwise noted" on top of that.

Nope since in the United States exists private entities with their own system of militias not answerable to the federal government or the state that it resides in with the exception of Texas.

[Minzerland II]

Source?

Common sense

According to some, 'common sense' doesn't exist. So, either provided a source for your claim, or have it 'dismissed without evidence', as is so often touted on this site.

[The East Marches II]

Source?

Have you read the Second Amendment?

I have. Do you need a grammatical break down of it?

[Minzerland II]

Source?

Have you read the Second Amendment?

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

[Ifreann]

No, it means the exact same thing as it does everywhere else.

A military force of volunteers, not a standing army, acting in common defence of the people and the state.
Just that for some reason, you chose to include a definition saying "everyone is a militiaman unless otherwise noted" on top of that.

Nope since in the United States exists private entities with their own system of militias not answerable to the federal government or the state that it resides in with the exception of Texas.

[Imperializt Russia]

Common sense

According to some, 'common sense' doesn't exist. So, either provided a source for your claim, or have it 'dismissed without evidence', as is so often touted on this site.

Source the position you posit.

Have you read the Second Amendment?

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

Dude, it's like two lines.

[Uxupox]

Have you read the Second Amendment?

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

HAIL.

[Uxupox]

Nope since in the United States exists private entities with their own system of militias not answerable to the federal government or the state that it resides in with the exception of Texas.

well would you look at that a nice colony of the United States.

[Minzerland II]

According to some, 'common sense' doesn't exist. So, either provided a source for your claim, or have it 'dismissed without evidence', as is so often touted on this site.

Source the position you posit.

This is a seperate conversation to anything I've said prior. Source. Your. Claim.

[Minzerland II]

According to some, 'common sense' doesn't exist. So, either provided a source for your claim, or have it 'dismissed without evidence', as is so often touted on this site.

Source the position you posit.

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, and both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

Dude, it's like two lines.

Which, for some reason, Philjia thinks I've never read. I know, just ridiculous.

[Ifreann]

Source the position you posit.

This is a seperate conversation to anything I've said prior. Source. Your. Claim.

Maybe you'd like to argue about the US Constitution in some other thread?

[Sareva]

Hey, quick thing, this isn't a debate thread on the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, so knock it off. 22 people just died in a disgusting terror attack, let's talk about that instead.

[Philjia]

Have you read the Second Amendment?

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

The second amendment is the insistence that the public should be able to arm themselves on the basis that the US requires some well equipped paramilitaries for the purposes of law and order and national security. This is not what most people seem to think it's for.

[Imperializt Russia]

Source the position you posit.

This is a seperate conversation to anything I've said prior. Source. Your. Claim.

Why? It's a perfectly reasonable interpretation of the historical context before and after it was written, and the history of the Confederacy established after the War of Independence.

"Defend against tyrannical government" is also an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, but fairly ahistorical. Said "tyrannical government" was the (technically) invading force of the British Empire that previously ruled them.
"Tyrannical state", the phrase most often quoted verbatim, does not appear in the 2nd Amendment.

[The East Marches II]

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

The second amendment is the insistence that the public should be able to arm themselves on the basis that the US requires some well equipped paramilitaries for the purposes of law and order and national security. This is not what most people seem to think it's for.

[Minzerland II]

I have a copy of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both of which I've read. The question is, however, have you?

HAIL.

Am I American yet?