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Postby Tinhampton » Mon May 22, 2017 3:42 pm

This thread was formerly entitled "Reports of explosion(s) in Manchester, UK". The OP (Tinhampton) changed the title around 2200 BST on Tuesday, to reflect the current reality of the situation moving from reports to a genuine attack. A saddening attack, to say the least.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-40007886
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Arena.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rt-england

As you may or may not be aware, British police have warned Mancunians to avoid the area around the Manchester Arena, coming after (admittedly unconfirmed) reports of explosions after an Ariana Grande concert in the arena. Nearby Manchester Victoria station is not running. Of course, the cause of the explosions (let alone whether or not the reports are real) are unknown. Is it terrorism? Is it an electrical breakdown? Is it poorly-lit fireworks? No matter what, I sure as heck hope it isn't the former - that would be a genuine warning-sign to the Western world outside of the capital cities. (And, again unsurprisingly, I hope that everybody made it out alive.) But now, what do YOU think is to blame?
EDIT: What we know so far (written an hour or so after original posting):

ANOTHER EDIT: More unconfirmed reports are coming in of a gunman being seen in Royal Oldham Hospital. Still unconfirmed and still reports... but still very worrying.
YET ANOTHER EDIT: Oldham Council says that aforementioned reports are untrue.
EDIT THE FOURTH: As of 2200 BST on Tuesday: 22 dead, 59 injured. Terrorist named as Salman Abedi, 22, a student at Salford University. UK terror alert increased to CRITICAL for third time (after 2006 transAtlantic liquid bomb plot, and 2007 London nightclub threat and Glasgow Airport bombing). An attack is now imminently expected - be wary. Operation Temperer, which involves the army manning key locations to free up the armed police, is now underway.
EDIT THE FIFTH: 22/59 (dead/injured) seems to be the most-reported figure, but there are some disagreements - the Mirror says 21/56, the Sun and Star say 22/119 (59 injured + 60 "walking wounded").
AN EDIT BUNDLED IN WITH EDIT 5: Security will be tightened for all major sporting events occuring in London (and there are lots - FA Cup final, EFL playoffs, Aviva Premiership final...), as well as for the Champions League final in Cardiff (for the latter, measures include greater security checks and more vehicle restrictions). There will be a minute of silence before the Europa League final between Ajax and Manchester United; United will be wearing black armbands.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 22, 2017 3:43 pm

Tinhampton wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40007886
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Arena.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rt-england

As you may or may not be aware, British police have warned Mancunians to avoid the area around the Manchester Arena, coming after (admittedly unconfirmed) reports of explosions after an Ariana Grande concert in the arena. Nearby Manchester Victoria station is not running. Of course, the cause of the explosions (let alone whether or not the reports are real) are unknown. Is it terrorism? Is it an electrical breakdown? Is it poorly-lit fireworks. No matter what, I sure as heck hope it isn't the former - that would be a genuine warning-sign to the Western world outside of the capital cities. (And, again unsurprisingly, I hope that everybody made it out alive.) But now, what do YOU think is to blame?

Here's a thought: wait until reliable news comes in and we find out what's going on before blaming anyone.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 22, 2017 3:49 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40007886
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Arena.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rt-england

As you may or may not be aware, British police have warned Mancunians to avoid the area around the Manchester Arena, coming after (admittedly unconfirmed) reports of explosions after an Ariana Grande concert in the arena. Nearby Manchester Victoria station is not running. Of course, the cause of the explosions (let alone whether or not the reports are real) are unknown. Is it terrorism? Is it an electrical breakdown? Is it poorly-lit fireworks. No matter what, I sure as heck hope it isn't the former - that would be a genuine warning-sign to the Western world outside of the capital cities. (And, again unsurprisingly, I hope that everybody made it out alive.) But now, what do YOU think is to blame?

Here's a thought: wait until reliable news comes in and we find out what's going on before blaming anyone.


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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon May 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Here's a thought: wait until reliable news comes in and we find out what's going on before blaming anyone.


I am calling it now, it's Farn's fault.

Could be your fault and your just scapegoating farn
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 22, 2017 3:55 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I am calling it now, it's Farn's fault.

Could be your fault and your just scapegoating farn

I would never stop a train service, unless we are going on strike, then bomb on my union brothers.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 22, 2017 3:58 pm

Oh fuck. I know people who went to that gig.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Mon May 22, 2017 3:58 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Could be your fault and your just scapegoating farn

I would never stop a train service, unless we are going on strike, then bomb on my union brothers.

What if your boss called you on the weekend?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 22, 2017 4:00 pm

The Telegraph (no idea how reliable it is, British media ain't my thing) says there are a number of confirmed fatalities.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 22, 2017 4:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Oh fuck. I know people who went to that gig.

Hopefully everyone you know is ok.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Mon May 22, 2017 4:04 pm

Guys, you dont have to worry about anything. Terrorism is an everyday part of life in Europe! Stop overreacting
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 22, 2017 4:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Telegraph (no idea how reliable it is, British media ain't my thing) says there are a number of confirmed fatalities.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAdyGWnXkAAvsWL.jpg:large

That's from the police twitter account.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon May 22, 2017 4:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Telegraph (no idea how reliable it is, British media ain't my thing) says there are a number of confirmed fatalities.

The Telegraph is fairly reliable.

I hope it is not terrorism related and that casualties are quite low. However, I do fear it is quite likely to be a terrorist attack.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon May 22, 2017 4:07 pm

Supposedly it was just a speaker blowing out.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 22, 2017 4:08 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Supposedly it was just a speaker blowing out.


Would that block lines from Victoria train station?

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Postby Neo Balka » Mon May 22, 2017 4:09 pm

why am i not surprised?
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Mon May 22, 2017 4:09 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Telegraph (no idea how reliable it is, British media ain't my thing) says there are a number of confirmed fatalities.

The Telegraph is fairly reliable.

I hope it is not terrorism related and that casualties are quite low. However, I do fear it is quite likely to be a terrorist attack.

No casualties reported yet, not even any injuries.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Mon May 22, 2017 4:10 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:Supposedly it was just a speaker blowing out.


Would that block lines from Victoria train station?


Not sure. If it was a bombing, well, not really anything to say to that.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon May 22, 2017 4:10 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:Supposedly it was just a speaker blowing out.

I don't think so considering that the police have confirmed casualties.
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Postby Val Halla » Mon May 22, 2017 4:11 pm

Neo Balka wrote:why am i not surprised?

Because you aimlessly live in constant fear? I mean that's the only way you would be, assuming everything will go wrong...
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon May 22, 2017 4:11 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The Telegraph is fairly reliable.

I hope it is not terrorism related and that casualties are quite low. However, I do fear it is quite likely to be a terrorist attack.

No casualties reported yet, not even any injuries.

Unfortunately no longer the case. https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/866786909544230912

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon May 22, 2017 4:12 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:why am i not surprised?

Because you aimlessly live in constant fear? I mean that's the only way you would be, assuming everything will go wrong...

Not being surprised is not living in constant fear, it's recognizing that the world is still considerably dangerous and that there are groups out there dedicated to killing people in our countries.

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Postby Neo Balka » Mon May 22, 2017 4:13 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:why am i not surprised?

Because you aimlessly live in constant fear? I mean that's the only way you would be, assuming everything will go wrong...

No,im not surprised that a terror attack in europe happened.
After all, its part of the "daily life" now!

Like the middle east!

Yay! (sarcasm)
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 22, 2017 4:14 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Because you aimlessly live in constant fear? I mean that's the only way you would be, assuming everything will go wrong...

No,im not surprised that a terror attack in europe happened.
After all, its part of the "daily life" now!

Like the middle east!

Yay! (sarcasm)


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 22, 2017 4:15 pm

Twitter video from a few blocks away of the explosion, there's a noticeable flash in the building and boom that accompanies it.

If that's accidental it must have been one hell of an accident.
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