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What shape is the earth?

Flat
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Round
293
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Not Flat or Round
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun May 21, 2017 4:36 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip

The true shape of the earth ;)

ummmm yeah, that thingie.....makes perfect sense........


Indeed. Nice and flat, yet you are able to travel round it ;)
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Postby Mefpan » Sun May 21, 2017 4:39 am

Bheothachadh wrote:NASA lied to us about the moon landing

I'm going to disprove this bullshit notion with three words.

The Cold War. Do you even realize, to the slightest extent, how impossible to the point of absurdity the mere idea of faking the moon landing is whilst you are being watched by the entire world and, especially, the Soviet Union, America's prime rival for global prestige and power during that time?

The Soviets would've creamed their collectivist pants if the Americans had faked the fucking moon landing. Can you imagine how quickly they'd have spread evidence of that?

Like holy fuck. Basing your belief in a flat earth on an entirely different, also quite insane conspiracy theory, is even more retardiciulous. What's next, Flat Earth!Hollow Earth, where there's an entirely different world on the underside of the plate?
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Postby Calladan » Sun May 21, 2017 4:45 am

Elejamie wrote:A couple of quick questions for OP:

[*]How do seasons work on a flat Earth? Because, on a round Earth (and also an Earth rotating around the Sun), this is because the Earth is tilted on its axis (23.5°). In fact, this is why the seasons are completely different in the Southern Hemisphere than they are in the Northern Hemisphere, as one hemipshere ends up getting more light around the other as it orbits the Sun.


Imagine the earth is spread out with the International Date Line as the centre of it. There are two suns - the Season Sun and the Day Sun. The Season Sun goes along the Date Line and the Day Sun goes along the equator.

Once the reach the end of their run, they are magically transported back to the start of their run.

How is that not obvious?

[*]Apparently, according to a number of flat Earthists, there's a heavily ice wall surrounding Antarctica which is why nothing's really fallen off. Some say it's 150 feet, other's say higher or lower. My question is: If you think it's the case, then how do you know it exists? Because surely they would've confiscated your camera or wiped your memory or existence if you ever came close to it, right? Also, 150 feet is pitifully small when you've got planes that can go up to 45,000 feet and higher, so it's not like someone could get a plane and try and fly over it.


The entire Earth is surrounded by a teleportation field (that moves the sun) so if you fly over the ice wall, you get moved back to other end of the earth.

[*]What would anyone lie the Earth's shape? Seriously, I keep hearing things about how NASA is lying about it because Illuminati/Freemasons/Satan/etc., but what would anyone gain from lying abouts its shape?[/list]


Because - and very few people know this - the producers of "As The World Turns" are the single most powerful people in the known world. They literally control everything, and have since the world was created. You do NOT want to cross them.

But if ANYONE knew the world was really flat, and doesn't turn, then ALL their power would vanish and they would cease to exist. And once that happens, their reason to leave the world intact (and not in being ripped apart by demons) would be gone.

So I suggest we all keep quiet, and leave them be. Or we will all be killed in our beds by the demons :)

(Or were you looking for a more serious answer?)
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Postby Crylante » Sun May 21, 2017 4:48 am

I was under the impression that we'd known the shape of the earth for thousands of years, and that anyone who disagrees is denying basic scientific principles?
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Postby Valrifell » Sun May 21, 2017 4:55 am

The Earth is flat and their hiding the truth from us for... some... reason... Money! Yeah! They profit off us good folk thinking the Earth is round... somehow...
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Postby Alpinovia » Sun May 21, 2017 5:07 am

Bheothachadh wrote:So I've been doing a lot of browsing and reading lately and one of (what I thought at the time was) the strangest conspiracies I've came across was flat earth. I came across the Flat Earth Society, and my initial response to it was "fucking retards lmao there's proof from NASA" but then I got thinking - NASA lied to us about the moon landing, would they really not lie to us about the earth's shape? So I did some more reading, and I've came to the conclusion that the earth definitely isn't round, but it might not be flat either.

Anyway NS, I'm curious as to what your opinions are on this? Do you think the earth is flat? Do you think it's not round? Or do you believe NASA that it's round?


'I did some more reading, and I've came to the conclusion that the earth definitely isn't round, but it might not be flat either.'

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Postby Elejamie » Sun May 21, 2017 5:14 am

Calladan wrote:
Elejamie wrote:A couple of quick questions for OP:

[*]How do seasons work on a flat Earth? Because, on a round Earth (and also an Earth rotating around the Sun), this is because the Earth is tilted on its axis (23.5°). In fact, this is why the seasons are completely different in the Southern Hemisphere than they are in the Northern Hemisphere, as one hemipshere ends up getting more light around the other as it orbits the Sun.


Imagine the earth is spread out with the International Date Line as the centre of it. There are two suns - the Season Sun and the Day Sun. The Season Sun goes along the Date Line and the Day Sun goes along the equator.

Once the reach the end of their run, they are magically transported back to the start of their run.

How is that not obvious?

[*]Apparently, according to a number of flat Earthists, there's a heavily ice wall surrounding Antarctica which is why nothing's really fallen off. Some say it's 150 feet, other's say higher or lower. My question is: If you think it's the case, then how do you know it exists? Because surely they would've confiscated your camera or wiped your memory or existence if you ever came close to it, right? Also, 150 feet is pitifully small when you've got planes that can go up to 45,000 feet and higher, so it's not like someone could get a plane and try and fly over it.


The entire Earth is surrounded by a teleportation field (that moves the sun) so if you fly over the ice wall, you get moved back to other end of the earth.

[*]What would anyone lie the Earth's shape? Seriously, I keep hearing things about how NASA is lying about it because Illuminati/Freemasons/Satan/etc., but what would anyone gain from lying abouts its shape?[/list]


Because - and very few people know this - the producers of "As The World Turns" are the single most powerful people in the known world. They literally control everything, and have since the world was created. You do NOT want to cross them.

But if ANYONE knew the world was really flat, and doesn't turn, then ALL their power would vanish and they would cease to exist. And once that happens, their reason to leave the world intact (and not in being ripped apart by demons) would be gone.

So I suggest we all keep quiet, and leave them be. Or we will all be killed in our beds by the demons :)

(Or were you looking for a more serious answer?)


:lol:

OK, I have to admit that was funny. I mean, yes I was looking for serious answers, but I'll allow joke answers such as that.

P.S. I have no idea what I meant by "heavily ice wall". Just ignore that bit as I edit it out. Turns out I forgot to add "guarded" after the word "heavily". My bad.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun May 21, 2017 5:19 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:ummmm yeah, that thingie.....makes perfect sense........


Indeed. Nice and flat, yet you are able to travel round it ;)


It's only flat if you're a two-dimensional observer on the surface of the strip.
Also an loop without a twist has the same property: moving parallel to the axis of the strip brings you back to the same place.

What I like most about mobius strips, is what happens if you cut one along the continuous axis. ;)
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Sun May 21, 2017 5:27 am

If the Earth is flat, then where to the lizard people live? Everyone knows that the earth is round and hollow to accommodate the internal sun, Agartha, the dinosaurs and the aliens.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 21, 2017 5:35 am

Bheothachadh wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Not round but not flat either, yeah Its clearly a fucking rhombus.

No I mean it could be like a cuboid or a frisbee shape
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Just because NASA said so doesn't mean it's true

This isn't just NASA saying this the Russians, the Europeans, the Japanese, and the Chinese all say the same. Also the moon landing was real
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun May 21, 2017 7:26 am

Bheothachadh wrote:So I've been doing a lot of browsing and reading lately and one of (what I thought at the time was) the strangest conspiracies I've came across was flat earth. I came across the Flat Earth Society, and my initial response to it was "fucking retards lmao there's proof from NASA" but then I got thinking - NASA lied to us about the moon landing, would they really not lie to us about the earth's shape? So I did some more reading, and I've came to the conclusion that the earth definitely isn't round, but it might not be flat either.

Anyway NS, I'm curious as to what your opinions are on this? Do you think the earth is flat? Do you think it's not round? Or do you believe NASA that it's round?


You're aware there were six manned landings on the moon I hope (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, & 17)

I also hope you're not serious.

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Postby Community Values » Sun May 21, 2017 7:31 am

Everyone except the Egyptians got it wrong.

This is the true earth shape:

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Postby Community Values » Sun May 21, 2017 7:35 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:So I've been doing a lot of browsing and reading lately and one of (what I thought at the time was) the strangest conspiracies I've came across was flat earth. I came across the Flat Earth Society, and my initial response to it was "fucking retards lmao there's proof from NASA" but then I got thinking - NASA lied to us about the moon landing, would they really not lie to us about the earth's shape? So I did some more reading, and I've came to the conclusion that the earth definitely isn't round, but it might not be flat either.

Anyway NS, I'm curious as to what your opinions are on this? Do you think the earth is flat? Do you think it's not round? Or do you believe NASA that it's round?


You're aware there were six manned landings on the moon I hope (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, & 17)

I also hope you're not serious.


nonono

Don't you understand? Despite the fact that any sane government would have made it impossible to tell if the landing was faked, it had to be because of the wind!
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Postby Calladan » Sun May 21, 2017 7:37 am

Community Values wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
You're aware there were six manned landings on the moon I hope (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, & 17)

I also hope you're not serious.


nonono

Don't you understand? Despite the fact that any sane government would have made it impossible to tell if the landing was faked, it had to be because of the wind!


It's true. All the farting in the capsule would have had to have suffocated the astronauts before they got to the moon, let alone got back.
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Postby Ambarii » Sun May 21, 2017 7:39 am

Bheothachadh wrote:So I've been doing a lot of browsing and reading lately and one of (what I thought at the time was) the strangest conspiracies I've came across was flat earth. I came across the Flat Earth Society

Strangest conspiracy? This is like the oldest conspiracy theory out there.

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Postby Ambarii » Sun May 21, 2017 7:40 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:ummmm yeah, that thingie.....makes perfect sense........


Indeed. Nice and flat, yet you are able to travel round it ;)

The argument for that is ships just travel in circles.
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Postby Calladan » Sun May 21, 2017 7:41 am

Ambarii wrote:
Bheothachadh wrote:So I've been doing a lot of browsing and reading lately and one of (what I thought at the time was) the strangest conspiracies I've came across was flat earth. I came across the Flat Earth Society

Strangest conspiracy? This is like the oldest conspiracy theory out there.


It was the reason someone shot Kennedy you know.
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Postby Grand Jan Mayen » Sun May 21, 2017 7:43 am

If the earth is flat, if I were to walk to the south pole, then why don't I either
    A. Fall down into space
    B. Magically teleport to the North Pole?

And this whole "Muh Nasa faking", mind you, the Soviets/Russians, Chinese, European, and Japanese space program all exist and all say the same results. That result being "The earth is round". Not to mention the fact that most educated people knew the world was round for THOUSANDS of years.
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Postby Ambarii » Sun May 21, 2017 7:46 am

Also, I am pretty sure the majority of people on that site are posting ironically.
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Postby North Coldmont » Sun May 21, 2017 7:54 am

This "flat earth society"'s [ :rofl: :clap: ] last (blog) post was in June 2016, these people don't seem to have any activity at all... almost as dead as insert meme here...

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Postby Martian Noachis » Sun May 21, 2017 7:56 am

My answer to Flat Earth theorists: Learn basic geometry. It's not possible to project a spherical object's texture on the flat surface perfectly, so you can't have a flat Earth map that works in the real world.

Have a close look at the Flattards' Earth map (the azimuthal equidistant projection) here.

Now watch CoolHardLogic's video on this topic:
Part 1
Part 2

If the Earth is flat, Australia would be some kind of dry strip, plane flights would be completely different from the current one, and the sky won't work like they are in real life.
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Postby Calladan » Sun May 21, 2017 8:00 am

Martian Noachis wrote:My answer to Flat Earth theorists: Learn basic geometry. It's not possible to project a spherical object's texture on the flat surface perfectly, so you can't have a flat Earth map that works in the real world.

Have a close look at the Flattards' Earth map (the azimuthal equidistant projection) here.

Now watch CoolHardLogic's video on this topic:
Part 1
Part 2

If the Earth is flat, Australia would be some kind of dry strip, plane flights would be completely different from the current one, and the sky won't work like they are in real life.


Except that's not how reality works. Working on the assumption that the Earth has always been flat, then EVERYTHING we see - everything we perceive - is how geometry and physics works in a flat Earth based world. So saying that the sky won't work like they are in "real life" is just a nonsense statement because this is REAL LIFE and always has been.

How is that so hard to understand?
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun May 21, 2017 8:02 am

Round, of course.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun May 21, 2017 8:04 am

LOL..
What's next, the earth does not revolve around the sun?

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Postby Grand Jan Mayen » Sun May 21, 2017 8:08 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL..
What's next, the earth does not revolve around the sun?

According to a minority/majority (Don't know which one) the sun spins around the Earth like a top.
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