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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Recently, three top moderators for the subreddit r/The_Donald were terminated, prompting the subreddit to "go dark" in protest for a short period of time. This is one installment in a long series of scuffles between the moderation of Reddit and r/The_Donald, including being banned from linking to r/politics, and there being talk of the changes to the r/all algorithm being done to keep r/The_Donald off of the front page.

Here's some links to provide more information.

What do you think of this situation, NSG? Is it right to impose different rules on different communities within the same website? Does Reddit have a liberal bias? I'd list a third question but I lack one, so I'll give my opinion.

I think this is probably not the smartest move, and I think Reddit's favoritism towards certain communities is wrong. Now, of course, I rarely use Reddit, and I'm not even a big fan of r/The_Donald, but at this point, I'm pretty sure I dislike Reddit's moderation staff more.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 20, 2017 12:58 pm

Oh no, is there drama happening on another website again?
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Postby Boineburg » Sat May 20, 2017 1:00 pm

Reddit is shamelessly anti-Trump to the point where they no longer deny their abuse and hypocrisy.

And I don't even use The_Donald.
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Postby Osnil Returns » Sat May 20, 2017 1:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Recently, three top moderators for the subreddit r/The_Donald were terminated, prompting the subreddit to "go dark" in protest for a short period of time. This is one installment in a long series of scuffles between the moderation of Reddit and r/The_Donald, including being banned from linking to r/politics, and there being talk of the changes to the r/all algorithm being done to keep r/The_Donald off of the front page.

Here's some links to provide more information.

What do you think of this situation, NSG? Is it right to impose different rules on different communities within the same website? Does Reddit have a liberal bias? I'd list a third question but I lack one, so I'll give my opinion.

I think this is probably not the smartest move, and I think Reddit's favoritism towards certain communities is wrong. Now, of course, I rarely use Reddit, and I'm not even a big fan of r/The_Donald, but at this point, I'm pretty sure I dislike Reddit's moderation staff more.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 20, 2017 1:08 pm

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 20, 2017 1:10 pm

Boineburg wrote:Reddit is shamelessly anti-Trump to the point where they no longer deny their abuse and hypocrisy.

And I don't even use The_Donald.


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Postby Thermodolia » Sat May 20, 2017 1:14 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Boineburg wrote:Reddit is shamelessly anti-Trump to the point where they no longer deny their abuse and hypocrisy.

And I don't even use The_Donald.


^

Id like to know what rules they broke before passing judgment. TD just says that they are a special set of rules and don't give any more information. If it's something as simple as their mods got booted for harassment then TD is definitely in the wrong.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat May 20, 2017 2:07 pm

Boineburg wrote:Reddit is shamelessly anti-Trump to the point where they no longer deny their abuse and hypocrisy.

And I don't even use The_Donald.

Or they're taking umbrage from the White House staff running like headless chickens, the unfilled Cabinet positions and H.R. McMaster's deceased reputation that being associated with Trump in any way is toxic.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat May 20, 2017 2:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
^

Id like to know what rules they broke before passing judgment. TD just says that they are a special set of rules and don't give any more information. If it's something as simple as their mods got booted for harassment then TD is definitely in the wrong.

Just following an example and proclaiming themselves the victims of a witch hunt probably.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 20, 2017 2:17 pm

A private website can do whatever it wants as long as it is within the law.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat May 20, 2017 2:24 pm

Internet users bickering about how their forum is moderated? Say it ain't so! I thought that only happened on websites where animals and obsolete warships are trusted with mod powers. :roll:
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Postby Randsbeik » Sat May 20, 2017 2:29 pm

Reddit leans incredibly towards the left, aside from a few enclave subreddits. While they're free to do as they please with their own website, and I do not demand that legal action be taken against them, I am still able to criticize their actions.

That being said, I personally object to censorship in all forms, and using admin powers to stamp out opinions you don't like is just childish, and allowing for actual open discussion is much more effective than circlejerking. This can be applied to both Reddit staff and r/t_d.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat May 20, 2017 2:39 pm

Randsbeik wrote:Reddit leans incredibly towards the left, aside from a few enclave subreddits. While they're free to do as they please with their own website, and I do not demand that legal action be taken against them, I am still able to criticize their actions.

That being said, I personally object to censorship in all forms, and using admin powers to stamp out opinions you don't like is just childish, and allowing for actual open discussion is much more effective than circlejerking. This can be applied to both Reddit staff and r/t_d.

A total lack of censorship in the long run just encourages stupid shit like stupid fucks posting their murder sprees on Facebook.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Randsbeik » Sat May 20, 2017 2:44 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:Reddit leans incredibly towards the left, aside from a few enclave subreddits. While they're free to do as they please with their own website, and I do not demand that legal action be taken against them, I am still able to criticize their actions.

That being said, I personally object to censorship in all forms, and using admin powers to stamp out opinions you don't like is just childish, and allowing for actual open discussion is much more effective than circlejerking. This can be applied to both Reddit staff and r/t_d.

A total lack of censorship in the long run just encourages stupid shit like stupid fucks posting their murder sprees on Facebook.


So a murder goes public and people can identify the perpetrator. What exactly is the problem here?

"Stupid shit" is subjective, and censorship =/= filtering spam.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat May 20, 2017 2:50 pm

Randsbeik wrote:
Gauthier wrote:A total lack of censorship in the long run just encourages stupid shit like stupid fucks posting their murder sprees on Facebook.


So a murder goes public and people can identify the perpetrator. What exactly is the problem here?

"Stupid shit" is subjective, and censorship =/= filtering spam.

Most of the nutjobs who post their murders on social media end up killing themselves to avoid justice. Which is fucking cold comfort for friends and families of the victims.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat May 20, 2017 2:51 pm

Randsbeik wrote:Reddit leans incredibly towards the left, aside from a few enclave subreddits. While they're free to do as they please with their own website, and I do not demand that legal action be taken against them, I am still able to criticize their actions.

That being said, I personally object to censorship in all forms, and using admin powers to stamp out opinions you don't like is just childish, and allowing for actual open discussion is much more effective than circlejerking. This can be applied to both Reddit staff and r/t_d.


Using mod/admin powers for censorship is not childish. It's not anti-free speech. It's does not necessarily mean you're circlejerking. It's an inherent part of the job, and it is necessary due to Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. Moderating a forum in any way at all is by definition censorship. It does not matter if you banned someone for making death threats, for doxxing someone, for supporting Trump, or for telling you they like the color purple. The fact that you banned someone means you have engaged in censorship -- but that does not mean you did anything wrong.

I don't know why you're on a moderated forum if you have a problem with mods being mods.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat May 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Randsbeik wrote:
Gauthier wrote:A total lack of censorship in the long run just encourages stupid shit like stupid fucks posting their murder sprees on Facebook.


So a murder goes public and people can identify the perpetrator. What exactly is the problem here?

"Stupid shit" is subjective, and censorship =/= filtering spam.


"Spam" is subjective, and filtering it is censorship.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat May 20, 2017 2:56 pm

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Postby Lady Scylla » Sat May 20, 2017 2:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
^

Id like to know what rules they broke before passing judgment. TD just says that they are a special set of rules and don't give any more information. If it's something as simple as their mods got booted for harassment then TD is definitely in the wrong.


From what I understand, the mods were being lenient on harassment by TD users. Overall, uts a half measure thatll get nowhere. No real loss.

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sat May 20, 2017 2:57 pm

We can all pretend that this is happening because Reddit doesn't like Trump, but it's more because these users have broken site rules.

Knock it off or we'll ban you.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat May 20, 2017 3:02 pm

Why were the moderators terminated?
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Postby Italios » Sat May 20, 2017 3:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Recently, three top moderators for the subreddit r/The_Donald were terminated, prompting the subreddit to "go dark" in protest for a short period of time. This is one installment in a long series of scuffles between the moderation of Reddit and r/The_Donald, including being banned from linking to r/politics, and there being talk of the changes to the r/all algorithm being done to keep r/The_Donald off of the front page.

Here's some links to provide more information.

What do you think of this situation, NSG? Is it right to impose different rules on different communities within the same website? Does Reddit have a liberal bias? I'd list a third question but I lack one, so I'll give my opinion.

I think this is probably not the smartest move, and I think Reddit's favoritism towards certain communities is wrong. Now, of course, I rarely use Reddit, and I'm not even a big fan of r/The_Donald, but at this point, I'm pretty sure I dislike Reddit's moderation staff more.

From Link #2:
"Our mod team continues to stand strong in support of free speech, equal treatment and application of the rules for all subreddits. We are temporarily private in a show of strength against these unfair and unequal rules."

anyone else had their hypocrisy machine break
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Postby Genivaria » Sat May 20, 2017 3:04 pm

Why do we care what happens on other forums?
If you really care why not make an account with them and say your piece on their forum?

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat May 20, 2017 3:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:Why do we care what happens on other forums?
If you really care why not make an account with them and say your piece on their forum?

I thought it could make an interesting discussion.
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