13 Hit by a car in Times Square

[Ethel mermania]

This incident hasn't been proven to be terrorism.

And in fact has been proven not be terrorism.

They think it's not terroism, tbf it probably isnt. That said the guy was on the sidewalk a fairly long time for it just to be an accident.

[Ruskov]

Apparently he said "You were meant to shoot me, I wanted to kill them!" to the Police as he was arrested by Police. Before that, he got out of the car and was dancing around in the street and jumping up and down.

Sounds like a mental case.

[Valrifell]

The thing that annoys me is when someone assumes an Islamic Organisation is behind a terrorist attack, everyone loses their hats and starts saying "how dare you assume the perpetrator was a muslim! Muslims aren't responsible for all attacks! In fact, most of the time they're not!"


People assume this, whilst sometimes incorrect, because most terrorist attacks in recent years have been the work of Islamic extremists. Its not a horrendous offence to assume the attackers allegiance/religion.

It's a bit silly to assume that this accident must immediately be intentional tho. It's as if the whole damn country has a persecution complex or something.

No, America, the whole world is not trying to kill you, just sit down and don't invade another foreign country.

[Ifreann]

In fact I can. A handful of car crashes have turned out to be a terrorist deliberately trying to kill people. A handful out of thousands. When there is a car crash it is almost always not terrorists. So hearing about a car crash and thinking it was a terrorist is stupid.

Yes, but when a car crashes into a crowd in an area such as Times Square, it wouldn't be an unfounded belief for it to be perpetrated by Islamic Terrorists. You're acting like if an old man crashes his 1990s Suzuki into a dustbin on a country road, people would think its a terrorist attack. That is not the case.

If a car crashes into a crowd in a densely packed area popular with tourists, there is substantial probability that it would be a terrorist attack.

Something that has only happened a handful of times is not actually more likely just because it was in the news recently.

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Yes, but when a car crashes into a crowd in an area such as Times Square, it wouldn't be an unfounded belief for it to be perpetrated by Islamic Terrorists. You're acting like if an old man crashes his 1990s Suzuki into a dustbin on a country road, people would think its a terrorist attack. That is not the case.

If a car crashes into a crowd in a densely packed area popular with tourists, there is substantial probability that it would be a terrorist attack.

Pretty much this.

Barring reports that the driver converted to Islam and pledged allegiance to ISIS before the tragedy, this isn't a terrorist attack. However, pretending that we should simply ignore the possibility that a driver who erratically drove down three city blocks running over countless people

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and killing some,

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couldn't possibly be a terrorist attack is genuinely stupid.

Did I say that it couldn't possibly be a terrorist attack? I do not believe so.

If Doug is the known culprit of stealing pudding cups from the company fridge and leaving a dollar as compensation, and you go to the company fridge see your pudding cup is missing and a dollar has been put in it's place, then you have reasonable suspicion Doug is the culprit.

That is until someone says Doug hasn't been at work today, which means it could possibly be Nancy or Tom.

Except Doug is only so known because the very few times he did swipe a pudding cup were talked about all over the office for days. Pudding cups are taken by other people regularly. Several a day, every day, in fact, and it has been so for most of a century. But people ignore those millions of other instances when they hear about a missing pudding cup. "Doug strikes again!"

a car of peace?

Allahu Akbar!

Allahu Akbar!

Dues Vult! Non nobis domine ave maria!

[USS Monitor]

a car of peace?

This is pretty mild trolling, but you've been let off with warnings three times now. *** 1 day ban for trolling ***

Allahu Akbar!

Knock it off. This was a really unhelpful comment.

I thought we weren't allowed to do that. I thought we had to assume anything that happens is Islamic terrorism until proven otherwise.

Here we see a hypocrite at it's finest. Only a Liberal can rush to assume racism when a cop defends himself, but tells everyone to wait for facts when there's a terror attack.

*** Warned for trolling/flaming *** This isn't far over the line, but it's basically just taking a swipe at liberals in general and Vassenor in particular over issues that are unrelated to the thread.

Ha, the infamous smiley of "I have nothing of any value to add nor any counterargument but still don't feel like recognising a truth I dislike".
Truly a compelling response!

This incident hasn't been proven to be terrorism.

This particular one not, indeed, but given it's Vass automatic answer whenever such an event occur, it's still worthy to be noted. :^)

Have you considered putting Vassenor on ignore? Cos you're about *this* close to getting deleted for flamebait. These posts are kind of borderline, and deleting you for them just feels too stupid, but you've got the kind of history where you're going to lose that nation if you can't get your tone in check.

[Cascadia California and Jefferson]

Inb4 blamed on Muslims

[Imperializt Russia]

In fact I can. A handful of car crashes have turned out to be a terrorist deliberately trying to kill people. A handful out of thousands. When there is a car crash it is almost always not terrorists. So hearing about a car crash and thinking it was a terrorist is stupid.

Yes, but when a car crashes into a crowd in an area such as Times Square, it wouldn't be an unfounded belief for it to be perpetrated by Islamic Terrorists. You're acting like if an old man crashes his 1990s Suzuki into a dustbin on a country road, people would think its a terrorist attack. That is not the case.

If a car crashes into a crowd in a densely packed area popular with tourists, there is substantial probability that it would be a terrorist attack.

As I said earlier, of course it was a possibility.

The problem "we" have, since it's now a partisan issue for some reason, is the people who are immediately certain that it is a terror attack, every time, and who seem to be hoping it is a terror attack, to further their own personal ideological agenda.

[Ifreann]

Yes, but when a car crashes into a crowd in an area such as Times Square, it wouldn't be an unfounded belief for it to be perpetrated by Islamic Terrorists. You're acting like if an old man crashes his 1990s Suzuki into a dustbin on a country road, people would think its a terrorist attack. That is not the case.

If a car crashes into a crowd in a densely packed area popular with tourists, there is substantial probability that it would be a terrorist attack.

As I said earlier, of course it was a possibility.

The problem "we" have, since it's now a partisan issue for some reason, is the people who are immediately certain that it is a terror attack, every time, and who seem to be hoping it is a terror attack, to further their own personal ideological agenda.

And moreover, any suggestion that the possibility of terrorism is only that, a possibility, is responded to with "Look at the liberal saying it wasn't Muslims!"

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Pretty much this.

Barring reports that the driver converted to Islam and pledged allegiance to ISIS before the tragedy, this isn't a terrorist attack. However, pretending that we should simply ignore the possibility that a driver who erratically drove down three city blocks running over countless people and killing some, couldn't possibly be a terrorist attack is genuinely stupid.

If Doug is the known culprit of stealing pudding cups from the company fridge and leaving a dollar as compensation, and you go to the company fridge see your pudding cup is missing and a dollar has been put in it's place, then you have reasonable suspicion Doug is the culprit.

That is until someone says Doug hasn't been at work today, which means it could possibly be Nancy or Tom.

Thing is:

Most driving accidents are not caused by terrorism. Not all terrorism is islamic terrorism. This isn't really the fault of people in general, but we humans are really, really bad at interpreting chance. We simply don't know what to do with it. But visualise this: if most car accidents are caused by drunken drivers or simple mismanagement of the car, then it is pretty irrational to suspect islamic terrorism, just because that has made the news more. There is a possibility that it involves terrorism, but that really shouldn't be your main focus. The first thought should be that most accidents are caused by causes other than terrorism, so it's likely not terrorism. Then, we wait for the counterarguments.

I'd be cool with executions for drunk driving.

Cruel and unusual punishment, perhaps?

Except this wasn't an "accident." It might have started as one, but from reports he drove down the sidewalk afterwards harming more people.


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Perhaps, but Drunk Driving is a serious problem that needs to be stopped.

[Imperializt Russia]

Thing is:

Most driving accidents are not caused by terrorism. Not all terrorism is islamic terrorism. This isn't really the fault of people in general, but we humans are really, really bad at interpreting chance. We simply don't know what to do with it. But visualise this: if most car accidents are caused by drunken drivers or simple mismanagement of the car, then it is pretty irrational to suspect islamic terrorism, just because that has made the news more. There is a possibility that it involves terrorism, but that really shouldn't be your main focus. The first thought should be that most accidents are caused by causes other than terrorism, so it's likely not terrorism. Then, we wait for the counterarguments.

Except this wasn't an "accident." It might have started as one, but from reports he drove down the sidewalk afterwards harming more people.

There's this new thing called "losing control of the car because you're drunk".

[Minoa]

Sources: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39968710 and http://abc7ny.com/news/sources-times-sq ... 2/2009161/

BBC says that ABC News, citing law enforcement sources, say that in the initial test the suspected tested negative for alcohol but positive for a marijuana substitute drug known as K2. But the ABC source also mentions Scientology and the end of the world.

Source: https://www.apnews.com/2ebbdf9f77af421a8dd19ca176ae281a

Associated Press also mentions the suspect hearing voices, although it is too ambiguous to determine of what nature.

[Ethel mermania]

As I said earlier, of course it was a possibility.

The problem "we" have, since it's now a partisan issue for some reason, is the people who are immediately certain that it is a terror attack, every time, and who seem to be hoping it is a terror attack, to further their own personal ideological agenda.

And moreover, any suggestion that the possibility of terrorism is only that, a possibility, is responded to with "Look at the liberal saying it wasn't Muslims!"

And you have plenty of people on this site who deny the issue of islamic terroism, to the point of sticking their heads in the sand to avoid calling a spade a spade.

So it goes both ways.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Except this wasn't an "accident." It might have started as one, but from reports he drove down the sidewalk afterwards harming more people.

There's this new thing called "losing control of the car because you're drunk".

There's this new thing called accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metal barriers because you're drunk and accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metals barriers because you're trying to get the new high score look very damn similar especially if the incident happens in New York City at Time Square.

[Imperializt Russia]

There's this new thing called "losing control of the car because you're drunk".

There's this new thing called accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metal barriers because you're drunk and accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metals barriers because you're trying to get the new high score look very damn similar especially if the incident happens in New York City at Time Square.

That is a possibility.

I am taking issue with your declarative statement, with a lack of evidence to back it up. That eyewitness account evidence would be sufficient to suggest that, but that's not what you're doing.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

There's this new thing called accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metal barriers because you're drunk and accelerating into a crowd of people and not stopping until you're physically stopped by metals barriers because you're trying to get the new high score look very damn similar especially if the incident happens in New York City at Time Square.

That is a possibility.

I am taking issue with your declarative statement, with a lack of evidence to back it up. That eyewitness account evidence would be sufficient to suggest that, but that's not what you're doing.

An accident can evolve into an entirely new situation.

Similar to if one is being pulled over, and begins to evade the Police. One has gone from a misdemeanor to a felony.

In this case, the man accelerated into the crowd and did not stop until he was physically stopped by a barrier.

[Vassenor]

Sources: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39968710 and http://abc7ny.com/news/sources-times-sq ... 2/2009161/

BBC says that ABC News, citing law enforcement sources, say that in the initial test the suspected tested negative for alcohol but positive for a marijuana substitute drug known as K2. But the ABC source also mentions Scientology and the end of the world.

Source: https://www.apnews.com/2ebbdf9f77af421a8dd19ca176ae281a

Associated Press also mentions the suspect hearing voices, although it is too ambiguous to determine of what nature.

Remember when Bath Salts was the only drug making people go off their face?

[Vermont of America]

Allahu Akbar!

Which Means Praise God
Non-Islamic Terrorist say this to Praise Akbar

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

That is a possibility.

I am taking issue with your declarative statement, with a lack of evidence to back it up. That eyewitness account evidence would be sufficient to suggest that, but that's not what you're doing.

An accident can evolve into an entirely new situation.

Similar to if one is being pulled over, and begins to evade the Police. One has gone from a misdemeanor to a felony.

In this case, the man accelerated into the crowd and did not stop until he was physically stopped by a barrier.

I don't know if you've ever driven a car, but the things are death traps. They are heavy chunks of metal driving at high speeds with formidable momentum. It takes a conscious action (combing clutch and brakes) to bring a car to a complete stop. There are three pedals in a car. I've forgotten which one's the brake in several occasions, without being in any dangerous situation. Put me under stress, and I too will drive my car into the Rhine. Especially if the fellow is drunk, not stopping your car is not a proof that someone had bad intentions. Rather, it points towards that the situation was stressful. Well, there's an eye-opener.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Sources: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39968710 and http://abc7ny.com/news/sources-times-sq ... 2/2009161/

BBC says that ABC News, citing law enforcement sources, say that in the initial test the suspected tested negative for alcohol but positive for a marijuana substitute drug known as K2. But the ABC source also mentions Scientology and the end of the world.

Source: https://www.apnews.com/2ebbdf9f77af421a8dd19ca176ae281a

Associated Press also mentions the suspect hearing voices, although it is too ambiguous to determine of what nature.

Remember when Bath Salts was the only drug making people go eat each others face?

FTFY

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

An accident can evolve into an entirely new situation.

Similar to if one is being pulled over, and begins to evade the Police. One has gone from a misdemeanor to a felony.

In this case, the man accelerated into the crowd and did not stop until he was physically stopped by a barrier.

I don't know if you've ever driven a car, but the things are death traps. They are heavy chunks of metal driving at high speeds with formidable momentum. It takes a conscious action (combing clutch and brakes) to bring a car to a complete stop. There are three pedals in a car. I've forgotten which one's the brake in several occasions, without being in any dangerous situation. Put me under stress, and I too will drive my car into the Rhine. Especially if the fellow is drunk, not stopping your car is not a proof that someone had bad intentions. Rather, it points towards that the situation was stressful. Well, there's an eye-opener.

1. Most cars in 'Murka are automatic.
2. He was driving in a city, which is different then driving on a highway in that building momentum is very difficult
3. Evasion and not being able to stop are two separate things.

[Autumn Wind]

I thought we weren't allowed to do that. I thought we had to assume anything that happens is Islamic terrorism until proven otherwise.

A more accurate description of your own stance would be to "assume nothing that happens is Islamic Terrorism even after proven otherwise."

That's typically my stance on things too. Last night there was a storm, and this morning there was a large branch laying in the yard. Personally, I believe that it was knocked down by the wind, rather than assume that jihadists traveled across the planet to put it there. If you think otherwise, I'd be interested in your argument.

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't know if you've ever driven a car, but the things are death traps. They are heavy chunks of metal driving at high speeds with formidable momentum. It takes a conscious action (combing clutch and brakes) to bring a car to a complete stop. There are three pedals in a car. I've forgotten which one's the brake in several occasions, without being in any dangerous situation. Put me under stress, and I too will drive my car into the Rhine. Especially if the fellow is drunk, not stopping your car is not a proof that someone had bad intentions. Rather, it points towards that the situation was stressful. Well, there's an eye-opener.

1. Most cars in 'Murka are automatic.
2. He was driving in a city, which is different then driving on a highway in that building momentum is very difficult
3. Evasion and not being able to stop are two separate things.

"Unintended acceleration" as we call it over here (stamping on the accelerator instead of the brake, and then stamping harder on the accelerator because you thought you hit the brake and you're panicking because you're not stopping), is actually more common in an automatic because there is no clutch.

[Pope Joan]

Choo choo- the paranoia train has arrived; All aboard!

is it paranoia to think that usual suspects did it?

Not according to Vilfredo Pareto, it isn't.

[Ifreann]

Except this wasn't an "accident." It might have started as one, but from reports he drove down the sidewalk afterwards harming more people.

There's this new thing called "losing control of the car because you're drunk".

Yet another Muslim plot.

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And moreover, any suggestion that the possibility of terrorism is only that, a possibility, is responded to with "Look at the liberal saying it wasn't Muslims!"

And you have plenty of people on this site who deny the issue of islamic terroism, to the point of sticking their heads in the sand to avoid calling a spade a spade.

So it goes both ways.

One doesn't and it doesn't.

[Benjabobaria]

Don't drive drunk, kids.
This guy had multiple DUI's in the past. He was expelled from the Navy for DUI. It's a shame this guy was even allowed to drive... *sigh*
I'm sure a few people will be shouting "Islamic terrorist" but all evidence points away from that
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/car ... re-n761556