'Venezuela could be the next Syria or South Sudan'

[Volkmacht]

"At least 43 people have died during weeks of clashes between government forces and opposition demonstrators angry at President Nicolas Maduro's handling of an economic and political crisis.

"This isn't getting better, it's getting worse, and what we are trying to say is the international community needs to say 'respect the human rights of your people' or this is going to go in the direction we've seen so many others go," US Ambassador Nikki Haley told reporters following Security Council talks.

The United States requested the closed-door consultations on Venezuela despite objections from some council members who insisted the crisis was not a threat to international security.

Haley said the US decision to raise Venezuela at the Security Council was aimed at conflict prevention and to ensure that the top UN body was paying attention to the crisis".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017 ... ther-syria

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does, it could not only severely damage the global economy and bring the continent to it's knees, but it could create another refugee situation not far from the United States.

What do you think, NSG? Is a civil war in Venezuela likely?

[Esternial]

Kinda highlights how maybe we shouldn't be as dependent on unstable countries for oil/energy.

[Donut section]

Socialism not even once.

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

Hell, even the riot police are starting to get agitated at the government. I read that they have to work around the clock every day, and I suppose they don't get any leeway into buying food.

[Arcanda]

To be fair, it seems headed that way, unless there's a regime change. Perhaps the US should sanction Maduro's regime in hopes to tame it. The west needs to get involved anyway, and not let permanent unrest take place like in Syria.

As for the refugees, it's a fact that immigration in general has rattled a lot of people. That's evident by the victory of Trump who almost campaigned only on that issue. There shouldn't be any accepted to the US.

[Risottia]

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

[Ethel mermania]

Kinda highlights how maybe we shouldn't be as dependent on unstable countries for oil/energy.

Pfft, why change now?

[Ethel mermania]

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

You sure about that, there are plenty of citgo stations around here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo

[The of Japan]

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

Oh, so you believe Maduro's propaganda, the stuff that his own people don't even believe? The Venezuelan system was unsustainable, and the oil shock made it happen quicker.

[Randsbeik]

I wouldn't be surprised. I imagine it'd be similar to the Romanian revolution.

Let Socialism die and Maduro with it.

[Stalgard]

Socialism not even once.

but its not true socialism, clearly venezuela is state capitalism with fascistic government :^)

[Randsbeik]

Socialism not even once.

but its not true socialism, clearly venezuela is state capitalism with fascistic government :^)

...so you try again and your shitty system fails but that's ok because it wasn't real socialism so you try again and...

[Nakena]

"At least 43 people have died during weeks of clashes between government forces and opposition demonstrators angry at President Nicolas Maduro's handling of an economic and political crisis.

"This isn't getting better, it's getting worse, and what we are trying to say is the international community needs to say 'respect the human rights of your people' or this is going to go in the direction we've seen so many others go," US Ambassador Nikki Haley told reporters following Security Council talks.

The United States requested the closed-door consultations on Venezuela despite objections from some council members who insisted the crisis was not a threat to international security.

Haley said the US decision to raise Venezuela at the Security Council was aimed at conflict prevention and to ensure that the top UN body was paying attention to the crisis".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017 ... ther-syria

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does, it could not only severely damage the global economy and bring the continent to it's knees, but it could create another refugee situation not far from the United States.

What do you think, NSG? Is a civil war in Venezuela likely?

No. Theres not that ethnic and religious divide. People are just starving and being hungry. Its an economical and political crisis. Its a severe case of "Dutch disease". Chavez and Maduro relied on their hard currency incomes by oil revenus while the rest of the countries economy was going down even more. Their pinko-communist politics didn help, but it the problem of over reliance on the Oil sector was existent before.

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

Oil Prices. Yo. Even freaking Saudi-Arabia has problems. Do you have any sources on this, that most of Venezuelas Oil is going to end up in domestic consumption? It's not like the US are necessarily dependent on venezuelan oil, nor are they the only oil importing country. In fact they have become a lot more energy independent due the widespread introduction of fracking.

Also the US have long given up their interests in South America. Do you have any sources to back up your claims?

[Napkiraly]

As if we haven't got enough to worry about, now a civil war could break out in South America, not far from the United States. If one does break out in a country with as much oil as Venezuela does

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

America isn't buying much oil from anyone because of the natural gas boom. The oil industry globally has taken a hit, such as in Alberta. Venezuela became overly dependent on oil exports to keep it afloat for almost the past 10 years and when the price dropped it meant that Venezuela could no longer even afford to export its own fuel. Mixed in with Venezuela's oil be of low quality and well, recipe for disaster. There is no ban on Venezuelan oil. The most the USA has done is slap some sanctions on some of Maduro's ministers and family members.

[Crockerland]

The next Syria or South Sudan? So it will fall into failed state status because of Obama? That seems unlikely since he's not in charge any more.

[Risottia]

Oil Prices. Yo. Even freaking Saudi-Arabia has problems.

Saudi Arabia is buddies with US. Venezuela isn't.

Also:
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... MUSVE1&f=M
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venez ... 1X20121008

What Chavez started (a form of left-wing populism based of a large welfare state) was more or less viable as long as Venezuela exported lots of oil. Nowadays, it is unsustainable.

[The Greater Europa League]

Socialism: Destroying Countries since 1917.

[Democratic States Of Israel]

I guess maybe it will be a Latino version of the Romanian revolution.

[San Marlindo]

It's doubtful a protracted civil war will break out, but it's possible there will be a popular revolution resulting in a regime change.

[Stalgard]

The next Syria or South Sudan? So it will fall into failed state status because of Obama? That seems unlikely since he's not in charge any more.

actually syria is about destabilizing region to protect israel
they even admited it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmukL16Kkwg for example.
oh and also preventing russia from having hot water port on the other side of bosphor strait
also there was that pipeline project worth miliards funded by rotschilds, i forgot how it was called
as of south sudan i dont have idea but probably reasons unrelated to obongo, i cant see a reason for usa to start wars there but i will invastigate
so, really, obama doesnt have much to do with that, any potus would do that

[Thermodolia]

Venezuela isn't exporting much of its oil, that's exactly why their economy has gone into complete shit. And it isn't exporting its oil because 'Murica has stopped buying it from Venezuela as a way of putting "pressure" on the Venezuelan government (basically as a way to foster a regime change either via a civil war or a military coup, as usual).

You sure about that, there are plenty of citgo stations around here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo

I forgot they existed. Shell, Kroger, and Quik Trip are the big ones around here

[Ruskov]

I don't think so. If it was, it would've likely exploded into war already.

[Lonograd]

Like Syria? So America is going to train, arm and fund Islamic fundamentalists to overthrow the government because it isn't a puppet of the U.S.? Seems likely.

[The Serbian Empire]

Hell, even the riot police are starting to get agitated at the government. I read that they have to work around the clock every day, and I suppose they don't get any leeway into buying food.

The signs of a classic South American junta are brewing.

[Nulla Bellum]

Lose weight now!