Ukraine blocks Russian propaganda.

[UniversalCommons]

Ukraine and Russia should be in a cold war which limits what either of them can do.

[Major-Tom]

ukraine can do what they want. we shouldn't be banning shit over here.

[Pope Joan]

There was a Treaty of Partition or separation, when the USSR broke up.
Sebastapol went to Russia in the event of any disputes. It was always more Russian than Ukrainian anyway.
Ukraine over the centuries has grown and shrunk like an amorba under a microscope, no boundaries seemed permanent.
There's no decidedly "Ukrainian" culture in the Crimea.

"Take Crimea, for instance. More than half of its 2 million people are Russian, and Russia still maintains a naval base there. In fact, the region was part of Russia until 1954, when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine as a present. "
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2 ... for-russia

[Risottia]

Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has imposed a ban on Russia's biggest social media networks and internet services popular with millions.

First it's blocking disabled female singers.
Now it's blocking social media.
Hey, maybe, within the next fifty years, the Ukrainian government could even get into blocking Nazis! Naaah... they love liberty too much...

[Shofercia]

And after allegations of Russia's hacking, they're blocking the best anti-virus protection out there - Kaspersky.

You may as well sell your computer to the FSB if you dumb enough to use Kaspersky.

I don't particularly care if a three letter agency monitors my computer. I have no plans to do utterly stupid things like acts of terror, and for everything else I have Constitutional Protections. So if the FSB/FBI knows how many levels of tetris I can beat, I really don't give a shit, no matter how lame the fearmongering gets.

Not worth it until they can block people who impersonate others on the Internet as well. Russians.

But it's a good start!

A for effort.
D for not actually accomplishing much.

Not worth it until they Russians - stellar Grammar. A for effort, D for actual grammar.

You do realize that you just did the equivalent of claiming that Russia blocks American Propaganda if Russia blocked Facebook, right? Probably not.

VKontakte = Russian Facebook
Yandex = Russian Google

And after allegations of Russia's hacking, they're blocking the best anti-virus protection out there - Kaspersky. It simply proves my theory that Kiev's current "leadership" consists of drunk dumbfucks. Oh well, more quality emigrants for Russia, so I don't mind

Again - we are talkin about a hostile country here, A country, complicit in numerous hacking attacks in the West. Are you having trouble to see that?

BTW - Crimea is still Ukrainia. You, if you are really an American citizen and not some randon Kremlin-bot, should know that. Why? Well, maybe because that's the official stacne of YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!!

I'm having trouble seeing how blocking GMail will hurt America, or how blocking Yandex will hurt Russia. You've yet to actually explain that. And no, "hurr durr Rusha badz" isn't an explanation; it's a statement of utter stupidity.

Oh, and did you know that maps.google.ru views Crimea as Russian? Are you going to declare war on Silicon Valley?

Crimea is Russian, and there is nothing the US can do to change that. The sooner we realize that, the better.

That's like literally saying "Poland is German now" in 1939. Are you not ashamed of that?

No, it's not. In 1939, most Poles didn't vote to be German.

No, because most Crimeans want to be part of Russia, US based polls confirm this:

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/05/08/des ... ssia-1-02/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... 0db688510d

How can you trust any polls of the people subjugated by the Russian military? Like - really?! They had soldiers at every corner there telling them to vite uncle Vlad - of course they behaved!

Forbes has been subjagated by the Russian Military? Damn, has anyone told Steve the news?!

[Shofercia]

Oh, I'm just pointing out that Ukraine doesn't really give anything back to us, so we shouldn't support it while it flushes our money down the toilet with corruption.

Oh, yes! The good Ol'-Trumpist slogan! Let them pay for their own security! Also favored by Alt-Right!

Yes, making people responsible spenders is a good thing. Just because Trump said it, doesn't make it a bad thing.

They weren't subjugated, though. You can look up video and photo yourself, the people of Crimea largely welcomed the Russian troops.

What "videos"? Provided by Kremlin's propaganda corps?!

The more I listen to you the more I become convinced that such ban should be spread in the entire West!

There's the thing called the First Amendment. I highly suggest that you review it.

Actually, provided by largely pro-Ukrainian or Western sources, like those polls.

Also, here in the US, we believe in the freedom of the Press and freedom of opinion.

Pew Research Center and Gallup are pro-Ukrainian? Why can't we simply label certain sources as just reliable, not biased to one side or another?

The language he used was, and I quote, "pro-Ukrainian or pro-Western" sources. Pew and Gallup are pro-Western. And VSIOM is pro-Russian. And all three are credible polling agencies.

To be fair most Polish were perfectly fine with Russia taking over when the Nazis knocked on their other door.

Says a 0 messages person of the account created just recently. Hmmm... I'm not implying anything, but...

Says an account of 291 posts... two can play that game.

"Ukraine blocks Russian Propaganda" is very different from "Ukraine bans Russia's biggest social media networks and internet services popular with millions."

Don't tell Sharania

[Austrasien]

I don't particularly care if a three letter agency monitors my computer. I have no plans to do utterly stupid things like acts of terror, and for everything else I have Constitutional Protections. So if the FSB/FBI knows how many levels of tetris I can beat, I really don't give a shit, no matter how lame the fearmongering gets.

Of course you aren't worried about being monitored by your government.

But if the worst thing that will happen to Ukraine is people will be somewhat discouraged from installing Russian backdoor programs on their computers, they should probably have done this long ago.

[Shofercia]

"Ukraine blocks Russian Propaganda" is very different from "Ukraine bans Russia's biggest social media networks and internet services popular with millions."

No, there are literally, no differences here.

So GMail is an arm of the US Government?

Earlier this year, they also blocked Steven Seagal from entering Ukraine for five years. The french actor Gérard Depardieu has also been blocked from entering Ukraine. Has we all know, Ukraine is going bust. Seems the EU. in June will be allowing Ukrainians free visa entry to some EU. nations. So will there be a stampede of Ukrainians leaving. Has the EU. traded the Syrian stampede for a Ukrainian stampede.

Read this - https://euobserver.com/foreign/137528

Nah, the EU wants both!

Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko has imposed a ban on Russia's biggest social media networks and internet services popular with millions.

First it's blocking disabled female singers.
Now it's blocking social media.
Hey, maybe, within the next fifty years, the Ukrainian government could even get into blocking Nazis! Naaah... they love liberty too much...

[Shofercia]

I don't particularly care if a three letter agency monitors my computer. I have no plans to do utterly stupid things like acts of terror, and for everything else I have Constitutional Protections. So if the FSB/FBI knows how many levels of tetris I can beat, I really don't give a shit, no matter how lame the fearmongering gets.

Of course you aren't worried about being monitored by your government.

But if the worst thing that will happen to Ukraine is people will be somewhat discouraged from installing Russian backdoor programs on their computers, they should probably have done this long ago.

That's like arguing that Russia banned Google in order to prevent Russians from installing backdoor American Spyware... that is essentially the argument that you're making. As a consumer, I should have a choice whether I want to risk FSB/FBI accessing my computer, but no one else, (except the Israelis, but their spy agencies are so good, they access everything anyways,) or to deny FSB/FBI that, and risk a computer virus or ransomware. As a consumer, shouldn't that be my choice?

[Austrasien]

Earlier this year, they also blocked Steven Seagal from entering Ukraine for five years.

How horrifying.

The french actor Gérard Depardieu has also been blocked from entering Ukraine.

Does this mean we will never get On Deadly Ground II: Chernobyl, starring Steven Seagal and Gérard Depardieu?

Tragic. Absolutely tragic.

Read this - https://euobserver.com/foreign/137528

See, sometimes good things happen!

[Shofercia]

Earlier this year, they also blocked Steven Seagal from entering Ukraine for five years.

How horrifying.

The french actor Gérard Depardieu has also been blocked from entering Ukraine.

Does this mean we will never get On Deadly Ground II: Chernobyl, starring Steven Seagal and Gérard Depardieu?

Tragic. Absolutely tragic.

Read this - https://euobserver.com/foreign/137528

See, sometimes good things happen!

It's always important to read what's actually going on: Only Ukrainians with a biometric passport will be allowed to travel to the EU visa-free, for 90 days in a 180-day period. The visa-free programme may be used for tourism, visiting friends or relatives, or for business trips, but not to work.

So how are most Ukrainians going to be able to visit the EU for tourism, or on business trips? The whole push was to enable Ukrainians to integrate with the EU, rather than simply provide an easier way for wealthy Ukrainians to party in the EU.

[Austrasien]

That's like arguing that Russia banned Google in order to prevent Russians from installing backdoor American Spyware... that is essentially the argument that you're making. As a consumer, I should have a choice whether I want to risk FSB/FBI accessing my computer, but no one else, (except the Israelis, but their spy agencies are so good, they access everything anyways,) or to deny FSB/FBI that, and risk a computer virus or ransomware. As a consumer, shouldn't that be my choice?

Not when that software is a potential threat to national security. Kaspersky may be completely innocuous at the moment, or not, but as it is controlled entirely from Russia the risk it might be mobilized to attack Ukraine is quite significant. What is a good decision for one person can be detrimental to everyone - cases like these is precisely when the government should step in.

[Austrasien]

It's always important to read what's actually going on: Only Ukrainians with a biometric passport will be allowed to travel to the EU visa-free, for 90 days in a 180-day period. The visa-free programme may be used for tourism, visiting friends or relatives, or for business trips, but not to work.

So how are most Ukrainians going to be able to visit the EU for tourism, or on business trips? The whole push was to enable Ukrainians to integrate with the EU, rather than simply provide an easier way for wealthy Ukrainians to party in the EU.

I am aware. But it is a concrete measure that boosts ties between Ukraine and Europe. There is nothing but good there. I do not actually think it would be good for Ukrainians to emigrate en masse, not that they would ever be allowed. Considering the countries demographic crisis this would risk dissolving it completely; that Europeans are unwilling to allow this is probably a blessing in disguise.

Anything which encourages Ukrainians to go to Europe more and Russia less is to be celebrated. In the very long run strengthening Ukrainians subjective identification with Europe is essential to choking off the Russian fifth column in Ukraine. With a little luck those young Ukrainians who are able to travel more in Europe will also begin to speak more English. But these things take time.

[Harkback Union]

MuahaHahaha, those Ukranian Fools!

They forgot to ban Nationstates!

[Bhikkustan]

This is a pain. Now we Russian spies can't take over Ukraine because they bocked this email server.

Oh well, back to rigging elections I guess...

[Risottia]

MuahaHahaha, those Ukranian Fools!

They forgot to ban Nationstates!

I wonder if NS could get a boost by sporting a "NOW BANNED IN UKRAINE" ribbon.

[The of Japan]

I believe that blocking of any websites anywhere is unnecessary censorship. For example, this with Ukraine, and Turkey blocking Wikipedia is useless, as anybody can simply use a VPN to continue accessing the sites. Also, many of the blocked websites in Ukraine aren't even harmful in any way. (Disclaimer- I am not Russian) I use Yandex e-mail, because it works well, and I like the organisation. I never saw any kind of subliminal messaging on Yandex, except for the maps, which are drawn to include and exclude countries that Russia does and does not recognize. Anybody educated could spot propaganda, and know what it is, so blocking websites has no use, in my opinion.

So blocking sites that provide things like murder for hire and stuff Is censorship?

[Gallia-]

That's like arguing that Russia banned Google in order to prevent Russians from installing backdoor American Spyware... that is essentially the argument that you're making. As a consumer, I should have a choice whether I want to risk FSB/FBI accessing my computer, but no one else, (except the Israelis, but their spy agencies are so good, they access everything anyways,) or to deny FSB/FBI that, and risk a computer virus or ransomware. As a consumer, shouldn't that be my choice?

Not when that software is a potential threat to national security. Kaspersky may be completely innocuous at the moment, or not, but as it is controlled entirely from Russia the risk it might be mobilized to attack Ukraine is quite significant. What is a good decision for one person can be detrimental to everyone - cases like these is precisely when the government should step in.

The answer is "not", btw: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... sian-spies

[Zemljoslav Republic]

So blocking sites that provide things like murder for hire and stuff Is censorship?

You can hire hitmen from the deepweb, which isn't blocked anywhere. You can't hire hitmen from Russian e-mail services, no matter how much propaganda you believe.

[Ilmenia]

MuahaHahaha, those Ukranian Fools!

They forgot to ban Nationstates!

I wonder if NS could get a boost by sporting a "NOW BANNED IN UKRAINE" ribbon.

We should send Poroshenko a bunch of pictures of pro-Russian posts on NS

[Shrilland]

Rather dumb on their part. They're hurting themselves far more than they are hurting Russia. It's especially bad because Crimea was never supposed to be a full part of the Ukraine and the Ukraine treated them like crap. Hopefully this doesn't escalate, but the Ukraine really needs to stop stoking the fire when things have been fairly peaceful for a while. Nobody wants war there and pissing off Russia or the Ukraine is just stupid.

[Ilmenia]

Rather dumb on their part. They're hurting themselves far more than they are hurting Russia. It's especially bad because Crimea was never supposed to be a full part of the Ukraine and the Ukraine treated them like crap. Hopefully this doesn't escalate, but the Ukraine really needs to stop stoking the fire when things have been fairly peaceful for a while. Nobody wants war there and pissing off Russia or the Ukraine is just stupid.

The Ukraine is an incorrect name, it's like calling Germany "the Germany"

[Shrilland]

Rather dumb on their part. They're hurting themselves far more than they are hurting Russia. It's especially bad because Crimea was never supposed to be a full part of the Ukraine and the Ukraine treated them like crap. Hopefully this doesn't escalate, but the Ukraine really needs to stop stoking the fire when things have been fairly peaceful for a while. Nobody wants war there and pissing off Russia or the Ukraine is just stupid.

The Ukraine is an incorrect name, it's like calling Germany "the Germany"

Kieven Rus.

[San Marlindo]

We are now in a very strange position where Western right-wingers who were typically the chicken hawks during the Cold War are now siding with Russia and refusing to recognize that a new low-level Cold War is slowly but surely developing.

Meanwhile, left-wingers who were typically the doves and Soviet apologists during the Cold War have suddenly made a hundred and eighty degree turn and are the first to concede that modern Russia is a threat to Western democracy.

Ukraine is possibly the best indicator of this; the right-wingers who should be concerned about Russian expansionism into Europe are cheering Putin on, despite the fact Ukraine actually has a right-wing government itself, while a lot of leftist liberals are condemning the Russian involvement there and calling for closer EU/US support for Ukraine, again despite the fact Ukraine actually has a right-wing government.

The fact that these attitudes have changed so much is an indicator of the extreme polarization of politics and the spirit of partisanship overriding common sense.

[Nanakai]

MuahaHahaha, those Ukranian Fools!

They forgot to ban Nationstates!

Don't remind them of it - many of us will miss Skyhooked ^^ (interesting though that I can't remember I'd ever had read any statement by him about the Ukraine issue ... evil to him who evil thinks ^^)

Interesting what the Verkhovna Rada is making up again ... I can't believe there are still people in the West who support such a behavior. And to those people who voted for "yeah, let's ban everything that comes from Russia in the West!" - you do know we're still living in democracies, yes? Such a ban would get us on the same level of Poroshenko, Putin, Erdogan, Lukashenka ... and so on, and so on ...

(Oh, and I use an email address from a Russian provider ... don't tf make me lose it! ^^)