Ukraine blocks Russian propaganda.

[Kartofian]

The solution is for Russia to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as Rossiiskii remains separate from Russkii.

The solution is for United States to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as American remains separate from Irish, Italian, British, German./s

Russia is a federation-- don't be surprised that it's multicultural. Simply because a country is not a tiny ethnocentric state doesn't mean it suddenly waives it's right to exist.

[Improved werpland]

The solution is for Russia to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as Rossiiskii remains separate from Russkii.

The solution is for United States to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as American remains separate from Irish, Italian, British, German./s

Russia is a federation-- don't be surprised that it's multi-cultural. Simply because a country is not a tiny ethnocentric state doesn't mean it suddenly waives it's right to exist.

Even on its facade, Russia is a very unusual federation (or at least the most centralized federation in existence). But no, Russia is not multicultural like the US is. Many ethnic groups are persecuted for example. It might be multi-cultural, but it isn't egalitarian or just.

[Kartofian]

The solution is for United States to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as American remains separate from Irish, Italian, British, German./s

Russia is a federation-- don't be surprised that it's multi-cultural. Simply because a country is not a tiny ethnocentric state doesn't mean it suddenly waives it's right to exist.

Even on its facade, Russia is a very unusual federation (or at least the most centralized federation in existence). But no, Russia is not multicultural like the US is. Many ethnic groups are persecuted for example. It might be multi-cultural, but it isn't egalitarian or just.

Many people, myself included, would argue that the US is not truly egalitarian either due to the economic inequality and racial problems. Doesn't mean it should be dismantled though. Now to address your other point-- Russia is highly decentralized. Why do you think it's constituent republics have shooting wars against one another everyone now and then? Now about racism. I know it's a problem, and I am quite frankly disgusted by it. But the crimes of neo-nazis do not suddenly mean that the Russian government and state at large are persecuting ethnicities. In fact the only who would even come close to be considered under state persecution are Siberian tribes whose land is exploited by oil companies-- but the same happens in America: again my point is that none of this is sufficient basis for calling for the destruction of the Russian Federation.

[Shofercia]

GDPPC says nothing about disposable income. At all.

It's national GDP divided by population. It provides no data except a tenuous and likely false comparison point for quality of life. Somehow I doubt that the quality of life in France and USA are substantially different, despite a difference in $15,000 or so in GDPPC (PPP). Ditto for Luxembourg and USA, despite Luxembourg being nearly twice the GDPPC of USA.

You are welcome to doubt that the quality of life in Luxembourg and USA isn't much different, but, in reality, there's quite a bit of difference. Have you been to Luxembourg? And the GDPPC PPP determines the amount of disposable income when paired against the standard of living requisite expenses.

People from different nationalities and ethnicities living side by side is a good thing. Of course, it's also true that there is unfortunately a lot of racism in modern Russia, directed against people from those ethnic minorities (because, you guessed it, they are "stealing Russian jobs"). But the solution isn't national segregation.

The solution is for Russia to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as Rossiiskii remains separate from Russkii.

Not at all. Ossetians and Russians view each other as brothers, so there's no need to abandon that relationship. Or many others.

The solution is for United States to let go of its slaves and become a relatively homogeneous nation state, without the "multi-culturalism" which is just the product of imperialism as long as American remains separate from Irish, Italian, British, German./s

Russia is a federation-- don't be surprised that it's multi-cultural. Simply because a country is not a tiny ethnocentric state doesn't mean it suddenly waives it's right to exist.

Even on its facade, Russia is a very unusual federation (or at least the most centralized federation in existence). But no, Russia is not multicultural like the US is. Many ethnic groups are persecuted for example. It might be multi-cultural, but it isn't egalitarian or just.

Not according to SOVA Reports. Furthermore, even if what you said was true, there's no reason for a country to voluntarily become homogeneous. Speaking of how minorities are treated in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... s-database

Native Americans: 10.13 killed per thousand
White/Asian: 1.17 killed per thousand

Have you the same broad statistics for Russian, rather than hand picked reports, Werpland? You can also check out how oil companies treat white land versus Native American land. And I'm not talking about White Privilege, I'm talking about oppression against the Native Americans.

[The East Marches II]

You are welcome to doubt that the quality of life in Luxembourg and USA isn't much different, but, in reality, there's quite a bit of difference. Have you been to Luxembourg? And the GDPPC PPP determines the amount of disposable income when paired against the standard of living requisite expenses.

Yeah its pretty shit compared to America

0/10 would not visit again.

Not according to SOVA Reports. Furthermore, even if what you said was true, there's no reason for a country to voluntarily become homogeneous. Speaking of how minorities are treated in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... s-database

Native Americans: 10.13 killed per thousand
White/Asian: 1.17 killed per thousand

Have you the same broad statistics for Russian, rather than hand picked reports, Werpland? You can also check out how oil companies treat white land versus Native American land. And I'm not talking about White Privilege, I'm talking about oppression against the Native Americans.

Thats a tribal issue regarding how the profits are paid out and the greed among natives. They victimize each other and run the reservations as mafia sites. They have nobody to blame but themselves for their own weakness in that regard.

[Improved werpland]

Even on its facade, Russia is a very unusual federation (or at least the most centralized federation in existence). But no, Russia is not multicultural like the US is. Many ethnic groups are persecuted for example. It might be multi-cultural, but it isn't egalitarian or just.

Many people, myself included, would argue that the US is not truly egalitarian either due to the economic inequality and racial problems. Doesn't mean it should be dismantled though. Now to address your other point-- Russia is highly decentralized. Why do you think it's constituent republics have shooting wars against one another everyone now and then? Now about racism. I know it's a problem, and I am quite frankly disgusted by it. But the crimes of neo-nazis do not suddenly mean that the Russian government and state at large are persecuting ethnicities. In fact the only who would even come close to be considered under state persecution are Siberian tribes whose land is exploited by oil companies-- but the same happens in America: again my point is that none of this is sufficient basis for calling for the destruction of the Russian Federation.

A highly decentralized federation where the president appoints the heads of republics and is directly elected (indirect elections are hallmarks of federal states).

The two situations are not comparable. Do you know what happens in the North Caucasus? The absence of basic Russian law in Ingushetia, Chechnya, and to a lesser extent, Dagestan, certainly is a kind of persecution. Chechens are subject to police brutality and discrimination elsewhere in Russia as well. And there's no forgetting this.

[Risottia]

You are welcome to doubt that the quality of life in Luxembourg and USA isn't much different, but, in reality, there's quite a bit of difference. Have you been to Luxembourg? And the GDPPC PPP determines the amount of disposable income when paired against the standard of living requisite expenses.

Yeah its pretty shit compared to America

0/10 would not visit again.

Yup, Luxembourg is notorious for its trailer parks and inner city ghettos after all.

Not according to SOVA Reports. Furthermore, even if what you said was true, there's no reason for a country to voluntarily become homogeneous. Speaking of how minorities are treated in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... s-database

Native Americans: 10.13 killed per thousand
White/Asian: 1.17 killed per thousand

Have you the same broad statistics for Russian, rather than hand picked reports, Werpland? You can also check out how oil companies treat white land versus Native American land. And I'm not talking about White Privilege, I'm talking about oppression against the Native Americans.

Thats a tribal issue regarding how the profits are paid out and the greed among natives. They victimize each other and run the reservations as mafia sites. They have nobody to blame but themselves for their own weakness in that regard.

One could say the same thing about Dagestan and Chechnya. It would be exactly as bullshitty, but hey.

[The East Marches II]

Yup, Luxembourg is notorious for its trailer parks and inner city ghettos after all.

It was basically Portugal in some parts. I'd rather a trailer park tbh.

One could say the same thing about Dagestan and Chechnya. It would be exactly as bullshitty, but hey.

I have the same opinion about those places too

[Risottia]

Yup, Luxembourg is notorious for its trailer parks and inner city ghettos after all.

It was basically Portugal in some parts. I'd rather a trailer park tbh.

What part of Luxembourg did you find to be like what parts of Portugal exactly?

One could say the same thing about Dagestan and Chechnya. It would be exactly as bullshitty, but hey.

I have the same opinion about those places too

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So, no difference between Russia and America there. Again, why should the RFR dissolve while the USA shouldn't?

[The East Marches II]

What part of Luxembourg did you find to be like what parts of Portugal exactly?

Lots of Portugese immigrants roaming about when I was there back in the late 2000s. Etsch or something like that, they were everywhere. I probably butchered the spelling, its been a bit.

So, no difference between Russia and America there. Again, why should the RFR dissolve while the USA shouldn't?

I never said they should dissolve. That makes more trouble than its worth.

[Salus Maior]

I wonder when Ukraine will take steps to limit "kike" propaganda

Yeah, it's pretty sad when they're outright punishing people who killed Nazis.

Like, for fuck's sakes, of all the people to have Neo-Nazi tendencies, you'd think Ukrainians would be the most diametrically opposed to such ideological beliefs.

Ukrainians have a history of Nazi affiliation.

[Risottia]

What part of Luxembourg did you find to be like what parts of Portugal exactly?

Lots of Portugese immigrants roaming about when I was there back in the late 2000s. Etsch or something like that, they were everywhere. I probably butchered the spelling, its been a bit.

So, no difference between Russia and America there. Again, why should the RFR dissolve while the USA shouldn't?

I never said they should dissolve. That makes more trouble than its worth.

So you've never been to Portugal and yet you think you can draw comparisons between Luxembourg and Portugal.

Uhm.

Also, yes you suggested the RFR is somehow keeping other nations enslaved as part of its territory and that it should, and I quote, let its slaves go.
You're clearly calling for the dissolution of the Federation.

[Risottia]

I wonder when Ukraine will take steps to limit "kike" propaganda

On February 30th.

[The East Marches II]

Lots of Portugese immigrants roaming about when I was there back in the late 2000s. Etsch or something like that, they were everywhere. I probably butchered the spelling, its been a bit.



I never said they should dissolve. That makes more trouble than its worth.

So you've never been to Portugal and yet you think you can draw comparisons between Luxembourg and Portugal.

Uhm.

Also, yes you suggested the RFR is somehow keeping other nations enslaved as part of its territory and that it should, and I quote, let its slaves go.
You're clearly calling for the dissolution of the Federation.

I've been to Portugal too unfortunately. I thought you mean what part of Luxembourg I visited, I miss read you, my apologies.

I think you have me mistaken for another poster. That was Kartofian.

[Risottia]

So you've never been to Portugal and yet you think you can draw comparisons between Luxembourg and Portugal.

Uhm.

Also, yes you suggested the RFR is somehow keeping other nations enslaved as part of its territory and that it should, and I quote, let its slaves go.
You're clearly calling for the dissolution of the Federation.

I've been to Portugal too unfortunately. I thought you mean what part of Luxembourg I visited, I miss read you, my apologies.

I think you have me mistaken for another poster. That was Kartofian.

Fuck me. You're right, I quote the wrong poster. Sorry!

[The East Marches II]

I've been to Portugal too unfortunately. I thought you mean what part of Luxembourg I visited, I miss read you, my apologies.

I think you have me mistaken for another poster. That was Kartofian.

Fuck me. You're right, I quote the wrong poster. Sorry!

Its no problem, happens to me too.

[Shofercia]

Many people, myself included, would argue that the US is not truly egalitarian either due to the economic inequality and racial problems. Doesn't mean it should be dismantled though. Now to address your other point-- Russia is highly decentralized. Why do you think it's constituent republics have shooting wars against one another everyone now and then? Now about racism. I know it's a problem, and I am quite frankly disgusted by it. But the crimes of neo-nazis do not suddenly mean that the Russian government and state at large are persecuting ethnicities. In fact the only who would even come close to be considered under state persecution are Siberian tribes whose land is exploited by oil companies-- but the same happens in America: again my point is that none of this is sufficient basis for calling for the destruction of the Russian Federation.

A highly decentralized federation where the president appoints the heads of republics and is directly elected (indirect elections are hallmarks of federal states).

The two situations are not comparable. Do you know what happens in the North Caucasus? The absence of basic Russian law in Ingushetia, Chechnya, and to a lesser extent, Dagestan, certainly is a kind of persecution. Chechens are subject to police brutality and discrimination elsewhere in Russia as well. And there's no forgetting this.

I didn't realize that deporting illegal immigrants from your country's only overcrowded city equated to ethnic cleansing, until I read a post from Werpland!

Yeah its pretty shit compared to America

0/10 would not visit again.

Yup, Luxembourg is notorious for its trailer parks and inner city ghettos after all.

Of course! Haven't you heard a major story from Flintsembourg, where the Government actually provided toxic water to its citizens, while keeping itself supplied with bottled water, in order to save a few bucks?

I wonder when Ukraine will take steps to limit "kike" propaganda

On February 30th.

[MERIZoC]

On February 30th.

I'm afraid this one goes over my head.

[Shofercia]

I'm afraid this one goes over my head.

It's a way of saying "never". It came from a joke about Poroshenko, when his usual drunken self allegedly repeated a heckler's words: "on February 30th I'll meet with Trump, on February 31st, we'll have work visas to the US and the EU!" Not sure if that actually happened, but since that personifies Poroshenko so perfectly, it became a meme on RuNet.

[The Sauganash Union]

Partition Ukraine already. It's not worth starting World War III over an inter-Slav, post-Soviet conflict.

[Genivaria]

Partition Ukraine already. It's not worth starting World War III over an inter-Slav, post-Soviet conflict.

And what if that sets a precident for Russia claiming any Slavic land?
Serbia needs protecting via annexation.

[The Sauganash Union]

Partition Ukraine already. It's not worth starting World War III over an inter-Slav, post-Soviet conflict.

And what if that sets a precident for Russia claiming any Slavic land?

Reclaiming Slavic land? What are they gonna do, annex Belarus? If so, so what?

Serbia needs protecting via annexation.

Balkan Slavs already started one world war. 38 million people died. Let's not do it again.

[Constantinopolis]

"we'll have work visas to the US and the EU!"

You know, it says a lot when one of the greatest promises the Ukrainian government can make to its people is that it will help them get out of the country easier.

[Shofercia]

I looked at the poll, and I'm just curious, what will happen on Monday, February 10th, 2020, at 2:44 pm? It just seems like an awfully specific long term date. Do any Mayans know?

Partition Ukraine already. It's not worth starting World War III over an inter-Slav, post-Soviet conflict.

I think that we should give the locals a choice for once, and hold honest, empowering, regional Referendums. Sure, that will lead to the partition, but at least it'll be a people's partition, rather than politicians drawing lines on a map.

Partition Ukraine already. It's not worth starting World War III over an inter-Slav, post-Soviet conflict.

And what if that sets a precident for Russia claiming any Slavic land?
Serbia needs protecting via annexation.

Nah, it ain't 1999 anymore.

"we'll have work visas to the US and the EU!"

You know, it says a lot when one of the greatest promises the Ukrainian government can make to its people is that it will help them get out of the country easier.

It's actually quite tragic. When the USSR collapsed, Ukraine was the equivalent of Belarus in terms of GDP PPP PC. In 2015 Belarus' GDP PPP PC was $17,740, and Ukraine's - $7,940. And let's not forget that Belarus is land locked, whereas Ukraine isn't.

[MERIZoC]

I'm afraid this one goes over my head.

It's a way of saying "never". It came from a joke about Poroshenko, when his usual drunken self allegedly repeated a heckler's words: "on February 30th I'll meet with Trump, on February 31st, we'll have work visas to the US and the EU!" Not sure if that actually happened, but since that personifies Poroshenko so perfectly, it became a meme on RuNet.

Didn't know the Poroshenko joke but I'll be frank and say I'm ashamed I didnt even catch the fake date thing lol