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Ifreann wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think there's more pressing issues for the thread than whether we should call Manning based on what they have between their legs vs. between their ears.

Don't worry, we can multitask.

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Jamzmania wrote:He revealed more than was necessary to blow the whistle.

She.

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See? Multitasking.

KrakenCo wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

KrakenCo wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck (noun), you (adjective), and Clinton (plural).

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Oneracon wrote:Glad to hear she's been released. Her leak documented significantly unethical actions by the US government and its military... including the killing of journalists and civilians. Before she approached WikiLeaks with the documents she went to both the New York Times and Washington Post with the information, but they rejected her.

This leak paved the way for the better approaches employed in both the Snowden leak and the Panama Papers. Snowden saw that WikiLeaks didn't appropriately vet and redact personal information from Manning's leaks so he specifically spent time finding reputable journalists to communicate with, and because they learned from the Manning example they listened to him. The Panama Papers took that a step further with a massive collaboration between media outlets all over the world as part of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists to verify, vet, and appropriately redact the leaks before reporting on them.

On the other hand, not so glad to hear that since she's in the news again it gives a bunch of people an excuse to explicitly misgender her. Just because she's a "traitor" doesn't give you the excuse to be a shitty person.

Athrax wrote:

KrakenCo wrote:
You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Or not because you're being disingenuous? There are certain people who genuinely don't identify as the gender they were born as, and many of those people also don't identify with the other classic gender. Why is it so important to you that they place themselves in a box they don't feel comfortable with?

KrakenCo wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Chestaan wrote:

Jamzmania wrote:The worst things that seem to have been revealed, unless I missed something, are some battlefield fuckups and ignored crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. This is bad, admittedly, especially the latter, but why did he also have to reveal hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables which served no purpose other than to harm US relations and interests? There were no great crimes being revealed in a whole lot of these leaks.

Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?

Jamzmania wrote:

Chestaan wrote:
Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?

A battlefield fuck up, as mentioned.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Jamzmania wrote:
A battlefield fuck up, as mentioned.

A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

KrakenCo wrote:

Athrax wrote:
Or not because you're being disingenuous? There are certain people who genuinely don't identify as the gender they were born as, and many of those people also don't identify with the other classic gender. Why is it so important to you that they place themselves in a box they don't feel comfortable with?

If gender is a social construct as so many liberals keep insisting, I can theoretically create any gender I want.

Jamzmania wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

Perhaps, but "the horrible shit being carried out in the name of the US people" makes it sounds like there were atrocities being committed that no one knew about, but, again, the worst that was revealed seems to be battlefield fuck ups and ignoring crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. These things could have been revealed without also leaking a lot of the other stuff that Manning did, which served no purpose other than to harm US interests.

Jamzmania wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

Perhaps, but "the horrible shit being carried out in the name of the US people" makes it sounds like there were atrocities being committed that no one knew about, but, again, the worst that was revealed seems to be battlefield fuck ups and ignoring crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. These things could have been revealed without also leaking a lot of the other stuff that Manning did, which served no purpose other than to harm US interests.

Neo Balka wrote:What atrocities were apparently committed by our "oh so evil" armed forces?

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:What atrocities were apparently committed by our "oh so evil" armed forces?

I... do we really want to get into a listing of alleged war crimes by US forces? I'm not one to condemn America out of hand as some evil empire, but to dismiss the very real crimes committed by the United States is just factually wrong

Neo Balka wrote:

Athrax wrote:
I... do we really want to get into a listing of alleged war crimes by US forces? I'm not one to condemn America out of hand as some evil empire, but to dismiss the very real crimes committed by the United States is just factually wrong

What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Neo Balka wrote:

Athrax wrote:
The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

How.

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
How.

Most detainees at Gitmo were acknowledged in the documents to be held not because they were enemy combatants, but held as intelligence sources, which is illegal. It also revealed several instances of torture

Neo Balka wrote:

Athrax wrote:
Most detainees at Gitmo were acknowledged in the documents to be held not because they were enemy combatants, but held as intelligence sources, which is illegal. It also revealed several instances of torture

waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

Athrax wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:
waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

KrakenCo wrote:

Athrax wrote:
They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

>Implying the US Armed Forces manifest tyranny


lol'd

KrakenCo wrote:

Athrax wrote:
The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Yea, because we were still angry as fuck over 9/11. Hell, if some guy orchestrates an attack that kills 2000+ innocent people, I wouldn't care about the rules of war either.

KrakenCo wrote:

Athrax wrote:
The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Yea, because we were still angry as fuck over 9/11. Hell, if some guy orchestrates an attack that kills 2000+ innocent people, I wouldn't care about the rules of war either.