Chelsea Manning Released from prison

[KrakenCo]

I think there's more pressing issues for the thread than whether we should call Manning based on what they have between their legs vs. between their ears.

Don't worry, we can multitask.

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He revealed more than was necessary to blow the whistle.

She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

[Athrax]

Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Or not because you're being disingenuous? There are certain people who genuinely don't identify as the gender they were born as, and many of those people also don't identify with the other classic gender. Why is it so important to you that they place themselves in a box they don't feel comfortable with?

[Torsiedelle]

Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck (noun), you (adjective), and Clinton (plural).

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

I thought it was "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" and "Hitler Did Nothing Wrongself" when it came to Mountain Dew.

Glad to hear she's been released. Her leak documented significantly unethical actions by the US government and its military... including the killing of journalists and civilians. Before she approached WikiLeaks with the documents she went to both the New York Times and Washington Post with the information, but they rejected her.

This leak paved the way for the better approaches employed in both the Snowden leak and the Panama Papers. Snowden saw that WikiLeaks didn't appropriately vet and redact personal information from Manning's leaks so he specifically spent time finding reputable journalists to communicate with, and because they learned from the Manning example they listened to him. The Panama Papers took that a step further with a massive collaboration between media outlets all over the world as part of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists to verify, vet, and appropriately redact the leaks before reporting on them.

On the other hand, not so glad to hear that since she's in the news again it gives a bunch of people an excuse to explicitly misgender her. Just because she's a "traitor" doesn't give you the excuse to be a shitty person.

This. *nods*

I wonder if Snowden would have been like "better skip town to Russia" if it weren't for Manning's imprisonment...probably would have anyways...but still...

[KrakenCo]

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Or not because you're being disingenuous? There are certain people who genuinely don't identify as the gender they were born as, and many of those people also don't identify with the other classic gender. Why is it so important to you that they place themselves in a box they don't feel comfortable with?

If gender is a social construct as so many liberals keep insisting, I can theoretically create any gender I want.

[Ifreann]

Don't worry, we can multitask.

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She.

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See? Multitasking.

You respect peoples pronouns, right?

In general.

Ok then. I identify as a can of mountain dew. My pronouns are fuck, you, and Clinton.

Respect them otherwise you're a hypocrite.

No. Do you recall my earlier post in which I described your lies as unconvincing? You haven't improved since then.

[Jamzmania]

The worst things that seem to have been revealed, unless I missed something, are some battlefield fuckups and ignored crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. This is bad, admittedly, especially the latter, but why did he also have to reveal hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables which served no purpose other than to harm US relations and interests? There were no great crimes being revealed in a whole lot of these leaks.

Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?

A battlefield fuck up, as mentioned.

[Fartsniffage]

Didn't they reveal that the military had killed some Reuters journalists?

A battlefield fuck up, as mentioned.

A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

[Jamzmania]

A battlefield fuck up, as mentioned.

A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

Perhaps, but "the horrible shit being carried out in the name of the US people" makes it sounds like there were atrocities being committed that no one knew about, but, again, the worst that was revealed seems to be battlefield fuck ups and ignoring crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. These things could have been revealed without also leaking a lot of the other stuff that Manning did, which served no purpose other than to harm US interests.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Or not because you're being disingenuous? There are certain people who genuinely don't identify as the gender they were born as, and many of those people also don't identify with the other classic gender. Why is it so important to you that they place themselves in a box they don't feel comfortable with?

If gender is a social construct as so many liberals keep insisting, I can theoretically create any gender I want.

Go ahead

[Internationalist Bastard]

A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

Perhaps, but "the horrible shit being carried out in the name of the US people" makes it sounds like there were atrocities being committed that no one knew about, but, again, the worst that was revealed seems to be battlefield fuck ups and ignoring crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. These things could have been revealed without also leaking a lot of the other stuff that Manning did, which served no purpose other than to harm US interests.

I'd say the Gitmo files was important to leak

[Fartsniffage]

A mishap. But the US armed forces have a history of them. Perhaps if they were held accountable then they'd figure out a way to reduce the number of mishaps.... Just a suggestion.

Perhaps, but "the horrible shit being carried out in the name of the US people" makes it sounds like there were atrocities being committed that no one knew about, but, again, the worst that was revealed seems to be battlefield fuck ups and ignoring crime and corruption in the Afghan and Iraqi governments. These things could have been revealed without also leaking a lot of the other stuff that Manning did, which served no purpose other than to harm US interests.

That kinda makes the assumption that US interests should be protected while battlefield fuckups are protected.

I'm not sure either way. But I do know that without Mannings actions the US armed forces would have had less drive to put their house in order.

[Neo Balka]

What atrocities were apparently committed by our "oh so evil" armed forces?

[Athrax]

What atrocities were apparently committed by our "oh so evil" armed forces?

I... do we really want to get into a listing of alleged war crimes by US forces? I'm not one to condemn America out of hand as some evil empire, but to dismiss the very real crimes committed by the United States is just factually wrong

[Neo Balka]

What atrocities were apparently committed by our "oh so evil" armed forces?

I... do we really want to get into a listing of alleged war crimes by US forces? I'm not one to condemn America out of hand as some evil empire, but to dismiss the very real crimes committed by the United States is just factually wrong

What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

[Athrax]

I... do we really want to get into a listing of alleged war crimes by US forces? I'm not one to condemn America out of hand as some evil empire, but to dismiss the very real crimes committed by the United States is just factually wrong

What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

[Neo Balka]

What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

How.

[Athrax]

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

How.

Most detainees at Gitmo were acknowledged in the documents to be held not because they were enemy combatants, but held as intelligence sources, which is illegal. It also revealed several instances of torture

[Neo Balka]

How.

Most detainees at Gitmo were acknowledged in the documents to be held not because they were enemy combatants, but held as intelligence sources, which is illegal. It also revealed several instances of torture

waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

[Athrax]

Most detainees at Gitmo were acknowledged in the documents to be held not because they were enemy combatants, but held as intelligence sources, which is illegal. It also revealed several instances of torture

waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

[KrakenCo]

What did Manning release about?

the whole Reuters thing?

Yea, dont be a military aged male in a warzone where dickheads are wearing civvie clothing.
It might just save your life!

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Yea, because we were still angry as fuck over 9/11. Hell, if some guy orchestrates an attack that kills 2000+ innocent people, I wouldn't care about the rules of war either.

[KrakenCo]

waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

>Implying the US Armed Forces manifest tyranny


lol'd

[Neo Balka]

waa wee fucking waa call the UN, see if they want to try american citizens for war crimes.

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

I dont like idea of submitting to a bunch of bastards, to be frank.

[Athrax]

They can't do shit since we haven't signed the Rome Accords, but we should do something
If we act like tyrannical bastards, who are we to criticize Assad or even ISIS? We need to uphold a standard or we're no better than those we condemn

>Implying the US Armed Forces manifest tyranny


lol'd

More the CIA, IMO

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Yea, because we were still angry as fuck over 9/11. Hell, if some guy orchestrates an attack that kills 2000+ innocent people, I wouldn't care about the rules of war either.

That's certainly the reason why we did that, but it's a pisspoor justification. We're supposed to be better than that. That's why we put a lot of those rules into place in the first place

[Internationalist Bastard]

Ok, I will say it though, she looks gorgeous.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The Gitmo files alone prove just how horribly the US acted in the early days of the War of Terror

Yea, because we were still angry as fuck over 9/11. Hell, if some guy orchestrates an attack that kills 2000+ innocent people, I wouldn't care about the rules of war either.

Still it was bad. Bad means we shouldn't do. Just because some terrorists attacked us doesn't mean we can kidnap innocent people