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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 3:58 am

North Korea wouldn't register a patent with the UN purely so it could make chemical weapons. The regime has been in existence for over six decades. If it hadn't already had a well developed chemical weapons program by the 1970's, why start now?

The fact that North Korea needs money more than it needs chemical weapons, the fact that sodium cyanide is a chemical used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine and the fact that North Korea has literally become Walter White and been forcing it's diplomats to sell said crystal meth on the streets, not to mention it's the most widely used drug in the country, all points towards this being not for furthering it's chemical weapons program but towards more...nefarious purposes.

In saying that, you have to wonder if there's any difference between making chemical weapons and hard drugs.
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Postby Risottia » Tue May 16, 2017 3:59 am

Gim wrote:
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Because UN = myself = America. Exactly where did I state so?

Seriously, more coffee in your breakfast.


Looks like you have a decaf in front of you. You want it switched to caf?

You're becoming boring, and continue to attack this weird strawman of my posts you built. Your evident lack of interesting arguments isn't my problem. I guess I'll just put you on ignore. Bye.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue May 16, 2017 3:59 am

Costa Fierro wrote:North Korea wouldn't register a patent with the UN purely so it could make chemical weapons. The regime has been in existence for over six decades. If it hadn't already had a well developed chemical weapons program by the 1970's, why start now?

The fact that North Korea needs money more than it needs chemical weapons, the fact that sodium cyanide is a chemical used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine and the fact that North Korea has literally become Walter White and been forcing it's diplomats to sell said crystal meth on the streets, not to mention it's the most widely used drug in the country, all points towards this being not for furthering it's chemical weapons program but towards more...nefarious purposes.

In saying that, you have to wonder if there's any difference between making chemical weapons and hard drugs.

Inb4 NK attacks the US with missiles full of Crystal Meth

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Postby Gim » Tue May 16, 2017 4:00 am

Risottia wrote:
Gim wrote:
Looks like you have a decaf in front of you. You want it switched to caf?

You're becoming boring, and continue to attack this weird strawman of my posts you built. Your evident lack of interesting arguments isn't my problem. I guess I'll just put you on ignore. Bye.


Well, you haven't admitted to the post you made. I guess you actually meant what I said. Go ahead; actually, I was far ahead of you on that, but I figured I might have some more laughter from you, and here it is. Voila! Now, bye, buddy! :)
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Postby Gim » Tue May 16, 2017 4:04 am

Risottia is pretty weird. Without South Korea, the impact on economy would be astronomical. It's not as he did any research on that.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 4:04 am

Alvecia wrote:Inb4 NK attacks the US with missiles full of Crystal Meth


Perhaps President Trump should send Kim Jong-un some pictures of the Midwest and say "Ha! Our country is already ruined by meth!"
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue May 16, 2017 4:06 am

This is crazy. North Korea will only gain more WMD in addition to nukes, and poison gas is banned by the UN. So they must be fired and punished
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Postby Gim » Tue May 16, 2017 4:08 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:This is crazy. North Korea will only gain more WMD in addition to nukes, and poison gas is banned by the UN. So they must be fired and punished


Yes.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 4:11 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:This is crazy. North Korea will only gain more WMD in addition to nukes, and poison gas is banned by the UN. So they must be fired and punished


North Korea had a chemical weapons program long before it had nuclear weapons. It's way more likely that North Korea would use this chemical to produce crystal methamphetamine for it's diplomats to sell overseas.
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Postby Gim » Tue May 16, 2017 4:12 am

It's funny how Risottia doesn't post in here anymore. He definitely knows he was wrong to say that. :D
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue May 16, 2017 4:13 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:This is crazy. North Korea will only gain more WMD in addition to nukes, and poison gas is banned by the UN. So they must be fired and punished


North Korea had a chemical weapons program long before it had nuclear weapons. It's way more likely that North Korea would use this chemical to produce crystal methamphetamine for it's diplomats to sell overseas.

Because there are rumors that North Korea manufactured and sold drugs in a building in their capital
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North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.

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Postby Risottia » Tue May 16, 2017 4:14 am

Surely this thread looks better without posts of people who hope to build strawmen without even knowing how to do it properly.

Why letting their hopeless posts infuriate you when you can just erase them?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 4:14 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
North Korea had a chemical weapons program long before it had nuclear weapons. It's way more likely that North Korea would use this chemical to produce crystal methamphetamine for it's diplomats to sell overseas.

Because there are rumors that North Korea manufactured and sold drugs in a building in their capital


Well...I guess you could call them rumours, although this information came from other sources, including defectors. And yes most of that clandestine illicit activity is planned from one room in Pyongyang.
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Postby Gim » Tue May 16, 2017 4:17 am

Risottia wrote:Surely this thread looks better without posts of people who hope to build strawmen without even knowing how to do it properly.

Why letting their hopeless posts infuriate you when you can just erase them?


Well, you came back, just because I told people you haven't been posting. This is all so obvious.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue May 16, 2017 4:17 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Because there are rumors that North Korea manufactured and sold drugs in a building in their capital


Well...I guess you could call them rumours, although this information came from other sources, including defectors. And yes most of that clandestine illicit activity is planned from one room in Pyongyang.

About that, I also read in the Internet about other sources of income for North Korea, like insurance fraud, overseas restaurant, like in Jakarta, and others
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North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.

Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 4:19 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:About that, I also read in the Internet about other sources of income for North Korea, like insurance fraud, overseas restaurant, like in Jakarta, and others


Insurance fraud, overseas businesses, tourism and slave labour in places like Russia and in Poland.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue May 16, 2017 4:24 am

Costa Fierro wrote:North Korea wouldn't register a patent with the UN purely so it could make chemical weapons. The regime has been in existence for over six decades. If it hadn't already had a well developed chemical weapons program by the 1970's, why start now?

The fact that North Korea needs money more than it needs chemical weapons, the fact that sodium cyanide is a chemical used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine and the fact that North Korea has literally become Walter White and been forcing it's diplomats to sell said crystal meth on the streets, not to mention it's the most widely used drug in the country, all points towards this being not for furthering it's chemical weapons program but towards more...nefarious purposes.

In saying that, you have to wonder if there's any difference between making chemical weapons and hard drugs.

Nefarious purpose like what? Funding research, development, and production of nukes and military wares
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North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.

Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.

If you support liberal democratic capitalism, paste this into your sig: $LFD
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue May 16, 2017 4:25 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:North Korea wouldn't register a patent with the UN purely so it could make chemical weapons. The regime has been in existence for over six decades. If it hadn't already had a well developed chemical weapons program by the 1970's, why start now?

The fact that North Korea needs money more than it needs chemical weapons, the fact that sodium cyanide is a chemical used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine and the fact that North Korea has literally become Walter White and been forcing it's diplomats to sell said crystal meth on the streets, not to mention it's the most widely used drug in the country, all points towards this being not for furthering it's chemical weapons program but towards more...nefarious purposes.

In saying that, you have to wonder if there's any difference between making chemical weapons and hard drugs.

Nefarious purpose like what? Funding research, development, and production of nukes and military wares


Nefarious purposes meaning the industrial scale manufacturing of drugs.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue May 16, 2017 4:29 am

Rio Cana wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:It's used for mining


NK. does have plenty of mineral resources. They say its worth $6 Trillion.
News source on that - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92zNjIbGps

Yeah, of course it's possible they can use the stuff to make a deadly weapon, it's easier and more likely they are going to use it for mining. On top of that, it's not like the UN is handing them ingredients to build a bomb, NK just applied for a patent and it's been approved.
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Postby Esternial » Tue May 16, 2017 4:44 am

Main conclusion you can make from this story and this thread is that a lot of folks don't understand patents or bother looking up what sodium cyanide does.

Is Wikipedia down or something? Some might as well live in the pre-internet era.
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Postby Peta Kozarska Brigada » Tue May 16, 2017 5:25 am

Gim wrote:Risottia is pretty weird. Without South Korea, the impact on economy would be astronomical. It's not as he did any research on that.

Not doing research maybe isn't that weird compared to defending a country, that you are not from, that gave you nothing, so fanatically.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 16, 2017 6:27 am

Volkmacht wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Do you have another source to corroborate this?


Here you go.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 494900511/

What do you think a "patent request" is?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 16, 2017 6:29 am

Gim wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:This is crazy. North Korea will only gain more WMD in addition to nukes, and poison gas is banned by the UN. So they must be fired and punished


Yes.

No.
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Postby Esternial » Tue May 16, 2017 6:37 am

Gim wrote:
Risottia wrote:Surely this thread looks better without posts of people who hope to build strawmen without even knowing how to do it properly.

Why letting their hopeless posts infuriate you when you can just erase them?


Well, you came back, just because I told people you haven't been posting. This is all so obvious.

Could you both please put aside whatever's got you two acting so odd?

Or put eachother on ignore. Having a go at someone in your post is not very inviting for others to comment on any points you're making.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 16, 2017 7:03 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:cyanide can be used in making fabrics such as rayon.

It is used in making absorbable sutures.

There are many legitimate uses, in industry, pharmaceuticals, and agriculture.


It is also a chemical used in the manufacture of crystal meth.

Seriously, did anyone read the links I put in my other post here?

Raises hand. Also almost the entire nation is hooked in the stuff
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