AntiFA: Protesters or Terrorists?

[Torrocca]

Tell me, when's the last time a Socialist nation started a world war or started a genocide of innocent people?

Of course.

I got a hard drive full of examples if you need more.

1. The broken up Yugoslavian states abandoned Socialism.
2. CTRL+F "genocide" on the second one brings up zero results. Zero.

Not Nazis.



1. What is European history past 1492?

2. Not really.

1. A gradual improvement overcoming severe societal, cultural and religious issues thanks capitalism!

2. Just the people violently enforcing class based violence.

1. Let's conveniently forget the world-wide tragedies suffered by non-Europeans in the meantime, brought on by European Capitalism!

2. Nah.

[Uxupox]

Of course.

I got a hard drive full of examples if you need more.

1. The broken up Yugoslavian states abandoned Socialism.
2. CTRL+F "genocide" on the second one brings up zero results. Zero.

1. A gradual improvement overcoming severe societal, cultural and religious issues thanks capitalism!

2. Just the people violently enforcing class based violence.

1. Let's conveniently forget the world-wide tragedies suffered by non-Europeans in the meantime!

2. Nah.

It's a damn book that you should read up on communist purges in the Soviet Union and massive killings that they committed. ]

Since when wanting independence means abandoning an ideology?

[Proctopeo]

It's still genocide if it's done against an ideology.

The Nazi ideology has never been helpful to the world; I don't think it deserves a stay here.

That does not go against my point in any way.

That makes limited sense, but still some sense, so I'll let it fly.

I'm recognizing that you're letting it fly, but I have to ask: if they don't need an origin, then why were origins ascribed to them in the first place?

Because people like explaining things, of course.

Good thing my explanation can be accepted without believing in any sort of deity. All you have to believe is that humans can know when a situation could be better.

That's not an origin. That's an attempt to justify them. A poor one at that.

But, suppose I accept this. Would you then agree with me if I were to say that a starving person has the natural right to steal food? After all, the only thing preventing them is the idea of private property, and it's demonstrably true that his situation could be better if he's allowed to steal then and there.

It was an origin and a justification rolled into one.
As for your hypothetical, assuming that they are incapable of acquiring food though legal means, cannot forage/there isn't any food to forage for, accepts the risks of theft and will peacefully go to prison if caught, and only steals what is necessary, yes.
Although at that point they should either join a crazy rice farm or commit a petty crime and get fed in prison. Assuming this takes place in either ancient times or a modern country.

[Torrocca]

1. The broken up Yugoslavian states abandoned Socialism.
2. CTRL+F "genocide" on the second one brings up zero results. Zero.



1. Let's conveniently forget the world-wide tragedies suffered by non-Europeans in the meantime!

2. Nah.

It's a damn book that you should read up on communist purges in the Soviet Union and massive killings that they committed. ]

Since when wanting independence means abandoning an ideology?

1. When you actually do abandon that ideology. But what do I know, it's not like the Balkans didn't want any USSR-based influences after Tito's death or anything.

2. Wow, those sure equate to genocide!

[Donut section]

Of course.

I got a hard drive full of examples if you need more.

1. The broken up Yugoslavian states abandoned Socialism.
2. CTRL+F "genocide" on the second one brings up zero results. Zero.

1. A gradual improvement overcoming severe societal, cultural and religious issues thanks capitalism!

2. Just the people violently enforcing class based violence.

1. Let's conveniently forget the world-wide tragedies suffered by non-Europeans in the meantime, brought on by European Capitalism!

2. Nah.

1. Remember when I posted how colonialism. Instead of me reposting it just go re read it.

2. Yeah.

[Mavorpen]

Because people like explaining things, of course.

So they claimed origins just for the lulz?

It was an origin and a justification rolled into one.

It really isn't.

As for your hypothetical, assuming that they are incapable of acquiring food though legal means, cannot forage/there isn't any food to forage for, accepts the risks of theft and will peacefully go to prison if caught, and only steals what is necessary, yes.
Although at that point they should either join a crazy rice farm or commit a petty crime and get fed in prison. Assuming this takes place in either ancient times or a modern country.

So you're saying that a starving person should go to jail for exercising a natural right. Interesting.

[Uxupox]

It's a damn book that you should read up on communist purges in the Soviet Union and massive killings that they committed. ]

Since when wanting independence means abandoning an ideology?

1. When you actually do abandon that ideology. But what do I know, it's not like the Balkans didn't want any USSR-based influences after Tito's death or anything.

2. Wow, those sure equate to genocide!

1) Damn that means Tito wasn't a communist since he didn't want any USSR influence. How quaint.

2) Genocide as defined by a dictionary

the deliberate killing of a large group of people

[Rokaku]

That sounds exactly what Stalin and Mao did.

[Torrocca]

1. The broken up Yugoslavian states abandoned Socialism.
2. CTRL+F "genocide" on the second one brings up zero results. Zero.



1. Let's conveniently forget the world-wide tragedies suffered by non-Europeans in the meantime, brought on by European Capitalism!

2. Nah.

1. Remember when I posted how colonialism. Instead of me reposting it just go re read it.

2. Yeah.

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth

1. When you actually do abandon that ideology. But what do I know, it's not like the Balkans didn't want any USSR-based influences after Tito's death or anything.

2. Wow, those sure equate to genocide!

1) Damn that means Tito wasn't a communist since he didn't want any USSR influence. How quaint.

2) Genocide as defined by a dictionary

the deliberate killing of a large group of people

1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

[Proctopeo]

Because people like explaining things, of course.

So they claimed origins just for the lulz?

Humans like to claim origins for things all the time.

It was an origin and a justification rolled into one.

It really isn't.

I'll let your opinion on this slide, too.

As for your hypothetical, assuming that they are incapable of acquiring food though legal means, cannot forage/there isn't any food to forage for, accepts the risks of theft and will peacefully go to prison if caught, and only steals what is necessary, yes.
Although at that point they should either join a crazy rice farm or commit a petty crime and get fed in prison. Assuming this takes place in either ancient times or a modern country.

So you're saying that a starving person should go to jail for exercising a natural right. Interesting.

They simultaneously exercised a natural right and violated someone else's.

[Uxupox]

1. Remember when I posted how colonialism. Instead of me reposting it just go re read it.

2. Yeah.

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth

1) Damn that means Tito wasn't a communist since he didn't want any USSR influence. How quaint.

2) Genocide as defined by a dictionary

1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

it's not like the Balkans didn't want any USSR-based influences

I guess in Soviet Russia influence is not influence at all!

[Torrocca]

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth



1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

it's not like the Balkans didn't want any USSR-based influences

I guess in Soviet Russia influence is not influence at all!

Being influenced =/= wanting it. Nice try though!

[Uxupox]

1. Remember when I posted how colonialism. Instead of me reposting it just go re read it.

2. Yeah.

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth

1) Damn that means Tito wasn't a communist since he didn't want any USSR influence. How quaint.

2) Genocide as defined by a dictionary

1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

Are you really justifying the forced relocation that the USSR did to the Germans such as those in Kalinlingrad? Really?

[Uxupox]

I guess in Soviet Russia influence is not influence at all!

Being influenced =/= wanting it. Nice try though!

I guess a word now means something else entirely from it's actual meaning! Thanks Real Academia Española for clearing that up for me!

[Torrocca]

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth



1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

Are you really justifying the forced relocation that the USSR did to the Germans such as those in Kalinlingrad? Really?

When the fuck did I do that?

Being influenced =/= wanting it. Nice try though!

I guess a word now means something else entirely from it's actual meaning! Thanks Real Academia Española for clearing that up for me!

I didn't know that having something is the same as wanting it!

I have an incurable disease! I sure must have wanted it all right!

[Mavorpen]

Humans like to claim origins for things all the time.

Sure. It's just, I've never ever heard anyone, whether in academia or the general public, claim that they just claimed origins for the lulz.

They simultaneously exercised a natural right and violated someone else's.

So do you believe that the owner of the supermarket should go to jail for violating my right to life?

[Donut section]

1. Remember when I posted how colonialism. Instead of me reposting it just go re read it.

2. Yeah.

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth

1) Damn that means Tito wasn't a communist since he didn't want any USSR influence. How quaint.

2) Genocide as defined by a dictionary

1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

1. Denying that capitalism is directly related to the improvement in society and quality of living at a much greater pace. Because the introduction of democratic states, modern medicine, modern science were possible without the introduction of merchant classes.

[Uxupox]

Humans like to claim origins for things all the time.

Sure. It's just, I've never ever heard anyone, whether in academia or the general public, claim that they just claimed origins for the lulz.

They simultaneously exercised a natural right and violated someone else's.

So do you believe that the owner of the supermarket should go to jail for violating my right to life?

Depends upon the Universal declaration of human rights if you live outside the US or the constitution if you live within US boundaries.

[Torrocca]

1. >Calling Capitalism a gradual improvement
>Forgetting its atrocities
>Forgetting literally every single innovation between the first civilizations and Capitalism's birth



1. I never said that; I literally said that the successor states to Yugoslavia didn't want Socialism. But thanks for reading my post.

2. I guess literally every war of conquest in history could be described as genocide then, because it effectively genocided the cultures of the conquered.

1. Denying that capitalism is directly related to the improvement in society and quality of living at a much greater pace. Because the introduction of democratic states, modern medicine, modern science were possible without the introduction of merchant classes.

I mean, Rome and Athens had early forms of Democracy, but yeah let's just ignore those!

[Donut section]

1. Denying that capitalism is directly related to the improvement in society and quality of living at a much greater pace. Because the introduction of democratic states, modern medicine, modern science were possible without the introduction of merchant classes.

I mean, Rome and Athens had early forms of Democracy, but yeah let's just ignore those!

The fact that Rome and Athens had democratic institutions is part of how the merchant classes are responsible for modern democracy.

[Torrocca]

I mean, Rome and Athens had early forms of Democracy, but yeah let's just ignore those!

The fact that Rome and Athens had democratic institutions is part of how the merchant classes are responsible for modern democracy.

I didn't know that the overthrowing of a king because a woman was raped and then establishing a republic was the result of the hard work of merchants! Color me shocked!

[Proctopeo]

Humans like to claim origins for things all the time.

Sure. It's just, I've never ever heard anyone, whether in academia or the general public, claim that they just claimed origins for the lulz.

Good thing nobody has, then.

They simultaneously exercised a natural right and violated someone else's.

So do you believe that the owner of the supermarket should go to jail for violating my right to life?

Did they kill you? If then, yes. Otherwise, no.

[Mavorpen]

Good thing nobody has, then.

You have, but okay.

Did they kill you? If then, yes. Otherwise, no.

Yes, by refusing access to things that can save my life in the name of property rights, they would have killed me.

[Proctopeo]

Good thing nobody has, then.

You have, but okay.

I didn't.

Did they kill you? If then, yes. Otherwise, no.

So refusing access to something that can save my life doesn't violate my right to life?

No.

[Torrocca]

So refusing access to something that can save my life doesn't violate my right to life?

No.

Well that's as bullshit as suggesting Nazis have a right to say their bullshit.