Far-Right German Soldiers' False Flag Plot Foiled

[Kekonistan]

That really explains the wars currently happening at the world, yep.

Furthermore, once war is more profitable for one country than other means - he will wage war.

This is why many nations of the world have abandoned any attempts at forming mutually-beneficial trade partnerships in order to flaunt their ethnic supremacy and try and wipe out everyone else, and is why we're seeing it right now on a global scale. There's not any other reason behind the war's happening today. Nope! Just the usual domination and cleansing of "lesser" ethnicities. The Syrians didn't rebel because they were fed up with a dictator! ISIS didn't form because a whole generation of kids and young teens spent more than half their lifetimes living in what could practically be described as hell from the War on Terror! The only reasons wars ever happen is because people have a natural desire to always and forever exterminate lesser humans! That's just a fact of life!

Wrong, it is because a group feels or actually is being obstacled by another group. Be it because of a rare material, or a plot of land, or the national pride or because you lost a soccer match.

And yes, this is a natural desire. And it will never go away, get used to it. Kek.

[Serconas]

Huh.

i wonder what mustve set the poor soldier off.

Obviously he had no other option left and just had to do, because Eurabia!!1!eleven!

Germans are not a people gifted with foresight.

or gifted with anything really.

Still better than Amercians. :^)

Does any german even support their military?

I do.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not everyone agrees what is beneficial, is the problem. This is even true among people of the same cultural group. In Western countries, we have the non-religious and religious; in Muslim countries, you have Sunni and Shia splits; etc. etc. People don't want to give up their values to achieve "unity" under something they loathe, we naturally think that our values should be followed, sometimes even forced on groups that don't agree with them.

Still, most people today seek peaceful alternatives to things like violence. It's why we trade instead of conquer nowadays - for everyone, it's more profitable. Again, the peace and unity isn't perfect, and it won't ever be perfect, but it's damn well better than ever before, and it ought to stay getting better.

We've been trading instead of conquering for a long time, but, at best, it's people ignoring differences for profit, not wanting to be unified with the "other".

[Kekonistan]

Still, most people today seek peaceful alternatives to things like violence. It's why we trade instead of conquer nowadays - for everyone, it's more profitable. Again, the peace and unity isn't perfect, and it won't ever be perfect, but it's damn well better than ever before, and it ought to stay getting better.

We've been trading instead of conquering for a long time, but, at best, it's people ignoring differences for profit, not wanting to be unified with the "other".

It's because it's more profitable than war imo.

Moral calculations save the world, unironically.

[Uxupox]

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US Army soldiers driving Czech Tatra heavy trucks because they lacked their own trucks. These trucks existed solely on paper or were broken at the time and could not be fixed. It happens more often than you think, but as I said in most armies it is a product of the natural inefficiency of organizations.

In Germany, it is a product of a dysfunctional relationship between civilian society and military, which extends far before Franco A. and the neo-Naziism of the Bundeswehr. The civilian government tries to mend this fracture, but civil society, the ordinary people, still view the military with suspicion and stereotype them as Nazis or life failures. No one would want to join the military when they can go to university or something.

Franco A. is a living stereotype that the typical German sees the Bundeswehr as. It is not entirely wrong. Germany is very obviously weaker than she was in the height of WW2, and strength is an important virtue in military cultures (thus they respect the strongest leaders), but in most cases it is rather less sinister than A.'s assassination plot.

It would be good if you could find me a good article about it.

[Torrocca]

This is why many nations of the world have abandoned any attempts at forming mutually-beneficial trade partnerships in order to flaunt their ethnic supremacy and try and wipe out everyone else, and is why we're seeing it right now on a global scale. There's not any other reason behind the war's happening today. Nope! Just the usual domination and cleansing of "lesser" ethnicities. The Syrians didn't rebel because they were fed up with a dictator! ISIS didn't form because a whole generation of kids and young teens spent more than half their lifetimes living in what could practically be described as hell from the War on Terror! The only reasons wars ever happen is because people have a natural desire to always and forever exterminate lesser humans! That's just a fact of life!

Wrong, it is because a group feels or actually is being obstacled by another group. Be it because of a rare material, or a plot of land, or the national pride or because you lost a soccer match.

And yes, this is a natural desire. And it will never go away, get used to it. Kek.

That's why imperialism is still alive and well, and all those lesser third-world countries are getting their teeth knocked in by those dastardly imperialist westerners, amirite?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're actually wrong, and things have changed? Maybe not in human nature, but in society and governments? Maybe there's a good reason we trade for important goods like oil and food rather than conquer some third-world country because they have it? It might just be that, for the first time in human's history, war isn't profitable or desirable anymore, as compared to cooperation between nations?

[Neo Balka]

Huh.

i wonder what mustve set the poor soldier off.

Obviously he had no other option left and just had to do, because Eurabia!!1!eleven!

he had no other option because the german populace at large despises their own soldiers.

Mistreated, abused, would be abandoned if war broke out and expected to die for a country that refuses to recognise their existence?

There is no such thing as the German soldier, only a man servant of the BRD..

[Kekonistan]

Wrong, it is because a group feels or actually is being obstacled by another group. Be it because of a rare material, or a plot of land, or the national pride or because you lost a soccer match.

And yes, this is a natural desire. And it will never go away, get used to it. Kek.

That's why imperialism is still alive and well, and all those lesser third-world countries are getting their teeth knocked in by those dastardly imperialist westerners, amirite?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're actually wrong, and things have changed? Maybe not in human nature, but in society and governments? Maybe there's a good reason we trade for important goods like oil and food rather than conquer some third-world country because they have it? It might just be that, for the first time in human's history, war isn't profitable or desirable anymore, as compared to cooperation between nations?

Exactly my point, at this moment, the benefits of trading outweigh that of war. But once that benefit is over then it will be war.

States and govt always change. But human nature, as you stated, does not. And once the moral calculation is different then, well, war it is.

[Torrocca]

Still, most people today seek peaceful alternatives to things like violence. It's why we trade instead of conquer nowadays - for everyone, it's more profitable. Again, the peace and unity isn't perfect, and it won't ever be perfect, but it's damn well better than ever before, and it ought to stay getting better.

We've been trading instead of conquering for a long time, but, at best, it's people ignoring differences for profit, not wanting to be unified with the "other".

The only real conflicts occurring today (bar the undeclared war on the Ukraine by Russia) are civil wars. A lot of people actually do want unity, contrary to your statement. Why else would there be such a widespread (and somewhat hated) "Globalist" movement?

[Neo Balka]

We've been trading instead of conquering for a long time, but, at best, it's people ignoring differences for profit, not wanting to be unified with the "other".

The only real conflicts occurring today (bar the undeclared war on the Ukraine by Russia) are civil wars. A lot of people actually do want unity, contrary to your statement. Why else would there be such a widespread (and somewhat hated) "Globalist" movement?

Self hatred and mass delusion go a long way.

[Kekonistan]

We've been trading instead of conquering for a long time, but, at best, it's people ignoring differences for profit, not wanting to be unified with the "other".

The only real conflicts occurring today (bar the undeclared war on the Ukraine by Russia) are civil wars. A lot of people actually do want unity, contrary to your statement. Why else would there be such a widespread (and somewhat hated) "Globalist" movement?

The fact that there are wars, civil wars even, notify that people can´t even be unified by something more concrete, ie a nationstate, than ''human unification''.

[Torrocca]

Obviously he had no other option left and just had to do, because Eurabia!!1!eleven!

he had no other option because the german populace at large despises their own soldiers.

Mistreated, abused, would be abandoned if war broke out and expected to die for a country that refuses to recognise their existence?

There is no such thing as the German soldier, only a man servant of the BRD..

Literally ignoring the past century of German history and government policy must be fun if you like making unfounded points, amirite?

That's why imperialism is still alive and well, and all those lesser third-world countries are getting their teeth knocked in by those dastardly imperialist westerners, amirite?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're actually wrong, and things have changed? Maybe not in human nature, but in society and governments? Maybe there's a good reason we trade for important goods like oil and food rather than conquer some third-world country because they have it? It might just be that, for the first time in human's history, war isn't profitable or desirable anymore, as compared to cooperation between nations?

Exactly my point, at this moment, the benefits of trading outweigh that of war. But once that benefit is over then it will be war.

States and govt always change. But human nature, as you stated, does not. And once the moral calculation is different then, well, war it is.

And it's in all likelihood that we won't be seeing war outweigh trade again, so long as we humans continue to work toward some semblance of peace and unity. The only way a war could ever become profitable and worthwhile again is if we just try and regress and divide our nations again on this Earth. Now, as for epic wars in space once space colonization begins... that's another thing entirely.

[Torrocca]

The only real conflicts occurring today (bar the undeclared war on the Ukraine by Russia) are civil wars. A lot of people actually do want unity, contrary to your statement. Why else would there be such a widespread (and somewhat hated) "Globalist" movement?

Self hatred and mass delusion go a long way.

Hmm... I'm all for people coming together peacefully and cooperating on a mass, global scale, but I don't hate myself and I'm not delusional about human nature, human history, or most other things. What would that make me?

The only real conflicts occurring today (bar the undeclared war on the Ukraine by Russia) are civil wars. A lot of people actually do want unity, contrary to your statement. Why else would there be such a widespread (and somewhat hated) "Globalist" movement?

The fact that there are wars, civil wars even, notify that people can´t even be unified by something more concrete, ie a nationstate, than ''human unification''.

The United States, which is basically the world's experiment for multi-ethnic unity, has kept trudging on despite hardships and has, as of today, been more united than ever before, after bringing the final answers to many of the questions brought to it. Like it or not, people can be largely united, despite some detractors. America, as it seems, is the start of a more worldly experiment of unification, but there's no telling yet how the world's portion of the experiment will go.

[Gallia-]

(Image)

US Army soldiers driving Czech Tatra heavy trucks because they lacked their own trucks. These trucks existed solely on paper or were broken at the time and could not be fixed. It happens more often than you think, but as I said in most armies it is a product of the natural inefficiency of organizations.

In Germany, it is a product of a dysfunctional relationship between civilian society and military, which extends far before Franco A. and the neo-Naziism of the Bundeswehr. The civilian government tries to mend this fracture, but civil society, the ordinary people, still view the military with suspicion and stereotype them as Nazis or life failures. No one would want to join the military when they can go to university or something.

Franco A. is a living stereotype that the typical German sees the Bundeswehr as. It is not entirely wrong. Germany is very obviously weaker than she was in the height of WW2, and strength is an important virtue in military cultures (thus they respect the strongest leaders), but in most cases it is rather less sinister than A.'s assassination plot.

It would be good if you could find me a good article about it.

There are literally books on the subject of Desert Storm's logistics failures. A handful of communist trucks is the tip of the tip.

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... hook-work/
https://books.google.com/books?id=5PXh3 ... rm&f=false
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991 ... udi-arabia
http://www.gao.gov/assets/160/151248.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... fe26e374c/

All militaries have shortages of everything, ultimately.

Germany's case is unique in that shortages are the operating norm, because it lacks the resources to cover for them. To a lesser extent, it is also true of France, Canada, Norway, and possibly a few other NATO countries. There is only one NATO military that can do pretty much everything to a reasonable extent without falling flat on its face and it's the USA.

Obviously he had no other option left and just had to do, because Eurabia!!1!eleven!

he had no other option because the german populace at large despises their own soldiers.

Mistreated, abused, would be abandoned if war broke out and expected to die for a country that refuses to recognise their existence?

There is no such thing as the German soldier, only a man servant of the BRD..

German soldiers would not be "abandoned" in wartime, whatever that means. Further, they are all volunteers, so they would probably die for Germany. They already do. They are abandoned in peacetime because Germany does not see the need for a large military after the Cold War. Germany, having the largest Western European military at its height, is also the hardest hit since it shrunk the most.

It is a product of a decade of bad policy and another decade of economic failure. If the United States gave the world the "Peace Dividend", Germany bought into the idea the hardest. It also got hit hard by the economic meltdown of the USA a decade ago, which stymied modernization efforts.

However, unlike Japan, Germany is willing to put in effort when the chips are down even when it probably shouldn't. Case in point: Afghanistan and Kosovo.

It probably should have spent all the money it did on both those wars in modernizing the Heer, but it didn't because it is a good NATO ally.

[Noraika]

Germany has been plagued with problems. High immigration can work, but only within a certain structure, without it bringing perceived harm to the people (eg, it's hard to justify the belief immigrants are taking jobs when there is close to full employment) or the nation, and likewise to assimilate and ensure social cohesion. Even the short-term can leave insurmountable problems if theses issues are not addressed.

The German government has not only failed to address the social issues which have increasingly arisen with concerted action, but have also not put in any of the necessary for the acceptance of people on a cross-civilization basis, to ensure not only social cohesion, but the very stability of the values of Political Correctness and Social Justice. It has failed to put up the bulwarks that are necessary to preserve them in society.

A state that does not address these fundamental issues just breeds disorder within, and decay of, the state. Did they expect anything different that inaction would lead to even greater issues manifesting?

[Neo Balka]

Germany has been plagued with problems. High immigration can work, but only within a certain structure, without it bringing perceived harm to the people (eg, it's hard to justify the belief immigrants are taking jobs when there is close to full employment) or the nation, and likewise to assimilate and ensure social cohesion. Even the short-term can leave insurmountable problems if theses issues are not addressed.

The German government has not only failed to address the social issues which have increasingly arisen with concerted action, but have also not put in any of the necessary for the acceptance of people on a cross-civilization basis, to ensure not only social cohesion, but the very stability of the values of Political Correctness and Social Justice. It has failed to put up the bulwarks that are necessary to preserve them in society.

A state that does not address these fundamental issues just breeds disorder within, and decay of, the state. Did they expect anything different that inaction would lead to even greater issues manifesting?

Excuse me.....but that is just fucking dumb.

[Improved werpland]

Which is as it should be, given how the Bundeswehr is the army of a federal democratic republic.

Bourgeois democracy is a sham. And if anything, this recent scandal has only proved the degree to which Nazism has remained buried deep in the heart of the West German state.

Are you being ironic? East Germany is where all the contemporary German Neo-Nazis come from. I've seen a few fascists idolize the GDR as well.

[Serconas]

Obviously he had no other option left and just had to do, because Eurabia!!1!eleven!

he had no other option because the german populace at large despises their own soldiers.

Mistreated, abused, would be abandoned if war broke out and expected to die for a country that refuses to recognise their existence?

There is no such thing as the German soldier, only a man servant of the BRD..

He had other options, but he chose to do this shit instead.
You might as well defend murders, rapist and cop-killers on the basis of "But they had to!"

How does one despise something, that doesn´t exist in ones eyes/view?
And hey! You retreated from "all Germans" to "most Germans".

There are German soldiers, despite whatever "witty" line you´re coughing up.
Being a servant to your country is not necessarily bad, quite the opposite possibly. Or is it a disgrace to serve your country by being in the US military?

[Gallia-]

Bourgeois democracy is a sham. And if anything, this recent scandal has only proved the degree to which Nazism has remained buried deep in the heart of the West German state.

Are you being ironic? East Germany is where all the contemporary German Neo-Nazis come from. I've seen a few fascists idolize the GDR as well.

The bigger irony is the implication of populism with that statement (the automatic assumption that Nazis exist in the West rather than being a product of the former Warsaw Pact and USSR) plus their signature. As if Australia would accept non-white immigrants seeking to escape oppression and not just send them back to Indonesia or Saudi Arabia or something after three years on Christmas Island. Then again it is basically Trump Continent and unironically abolished jus soli, so I suppose the quote might be deliberately ironic.

[Betoni]

So why haven't I condemned these actions as a white European yet, this must mean that I approve of them. Does this make me a Nazi?

[Ambarii]

Germany has been plagued with problems. High immigration can work, but only within a certain structure, without it bringing perceived harm to the people (eg, it's hard to justify the belief immigrants are taking jobs when there is close to full employment) or the nation, and likewise to assimilate and ensure social cohesion. Even the short-term can leave insurmountable problems if theses issues are not addressed.

The German government has not only failed to address the social issues which have increasingly arisen with concerted action, but have also not put in any of the necessary for the acceptance of people on a cross-civilization basis, to ensure not only social cohesion, but the very stability of the values of Political Correctness and Social Justice. It has failed to put up the bulwarks that are necessary to preserve them in society.

A state that does not address these fundamental issues just breeds disorder within, and decay of, the state. Did they expect anything different that inaction would lead to even greater issues manifesting?

Excuse me.....but that is just fucking dumb.

Almost as dumb as replying with insults instead of arguments.

[Noraika]

Germany has been plagued with problems. High immigration can work, but only within a certain structure, without it bringing perceived harm to the people (eg, it's hard to justify the belief immigrants are taking jobs when there is close to full employment) or the nation, and likewise to assimilate and ensure social cohesion. Even the short-term can leave insurmountable problems if theses issues are not addressed.

The German government has not only failed to address the social issues which have increasingly arisen with concerted action, but have also not put in any of the necessary for the acceptance of people on a cross-civilization basis, to ensure not only social cohesion, but the very stability of the values of Political Correctness and Social Justice. It has failed to put up the bulwarks that are necessary to preserve them in society.

A state that does not address these fundamental issues just breeds disorder within, and decay of, the state. Did they expect anything different that inaction would lead to even greater issues manifesting?

Excuse me.....but that is just fucking dumb.

At least in my experience, Political Correctness and Social Justice are not things which are absolutist, and there are circumstances where you must go against Social Justice and Political Correctness in order to protect Social Justice and Political Correctness, or multiculturalism.

For example, as a student in Norway a few years ago, there was an issue with the immigrant communities and their values coming in sharp conflict with Social Justice and Political Correctness, such as, to name a few, keeping their wives at home and not allowing them to work or learn the language, forcing them to wear the coverings, and keeping their children from attending school, and there were other instances of harassment of women, lgb+ and transgender people, and discrimination. In other words, their actions were interfering with the status of Social Justice of others.

Thus restrictive measures were necessary to employ to go against these circumstances, even if they were not necessarily along the lines of Social Justice or Political Correctness, to protect the equal access of others to Social Justice and Political Correctness.

That's at least been my experience, and I hope it helps clear that up.

[Betoni]

Excuse me.....but that is just fucking dumb.

At least in my experience, Political Correctness and Social Justice are not things which are absolutist, and there are circumstances where you must go against Social Justice and Political Correctness in order to protect Social Justice and Political Correctness, or multiculturalism.

For example, as a student in Norway a few years ago, there was an issue with the immigrant communities and their values coming in sharp conflict with Social Justice and Political Correctness, such as, to name a few, keeping their wives at home and not allowing them to work or learn the language, forcing them to wear the coverings, and keeping their children from attending school, and there were other instances of harassment of women, lgb+ and transgender people, and discrimination. In other words, their actions were interfering with the status of Social Justice of others.

Thus restrictive measures were necessary to employ to go against these circumstances, even if they were not necessarily along the lines of Social Justice or Political Correctness, to protect the equal access of others to Social Justice and Political Correctness.

That's at least been my experience, and I hope it helps clear that up.

Sounds like a claptrap with some grandstanding and self congratulatory jerking in a sphere, added for good benefit.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I sure hope Merkel is behind this plot, readying her own coup.
I would love Merkel as a great dictator.
I'd even join that Bundeswehr for her.
But only if she decided to become a dictator.

[The East Marches II]

So why haven't I condemned these actions as a white European yet, this must mean that I approve of them. Does this make me a Nazi?

You a Kraut?