Far-Right German Soldiers' False Flag Plot Foiled

[The ISCA]

The German military during 1984 was actually significant but today they should just disband and depend on their neighboring countries for protection.

Im sure the French would love that. *Begin stereotypical French accent* "First you don't have nuclear weapons, now you don't have an army. You are not a real nation" *end scene*

They've been hellbent on going back to the good old days when Napoleon and every Louis from X to XVII could just run over Germany, I'm sure they will love that idea like a rapist loves being locked into a room with hundreds of idiot victims.

[Conserative Morality]

You trainas you fight. If they want to use broom in combat by all means they can. Only expectation I got for them is to never return home.

"You train as you fight. I don't see you surviving with THOSE piddly weapons!"

"Uh, these are pens, sir. We're not actually combat troo-"

"YOU TRAIN AS YOU FIGHT"

Really, repeating the same mantra over and over again doesn't make it relevant. This isn't basic training.

[Thermodolia]

Im sure the French would love that. *Begin stereotypical French accent* "First you don't have nuclear weapons, now you don't have an army. You are not a real nation" *end scene*

They've been hellbent on going back to the good old days when Napoleon and every Louis from X to XVII could just run over Germany, I'm sure they will love that idea like a rapist loves being locked into a room with hundreds of idiot victims.

All hail the New French Empire; formerly known as Europe

[The East Marches II]

I have more anecdotes and examples lIke that if you are interested in hearing.

I'd actually be very interested in hearing them if you'd like to share, but fair warning, I won't accept them as arguments.

>Literally see things firsthand

"Sorry fam, thats just not good enough even when it corroborates other sources"

brb time to end it

[Conserative Morality]

>Literally see things firsthand

"Sorry fam, thats just not good enough even when it corroborates other sources"

brb time to end it

Nothing worse than firsthand accounts.

[The ISCA]

They've been hellbent on going back to the good old days when Napoleon and every Louis from X to XVII could just run over Germany, I'm sure they will love that idea like a rapist loves being locked into a room with hundreds of idiot victims.

All hail the New French Empire; formerly known as Europe

Yep!

[Uxupox]

You trainas you fight. If they want to use broom in combat by all means they can. Only expectation I got for them is to never return home.

"You train as you fight. I don't see you surviving with THOSE piddly weapons!"

"Uh, these are pens, sir. We're not actually combat troo-"

"YOU TRAIN AS YOU FIGHT"

Really, repeating the same mantra over and over again doesn't make it relevant. This isn't basic training.

It isn't.

[Bakery Hill]

>Literally see things firsthand

"Sorry fam, thats just not good enough even when it corroborates other sources"

brb time to end it

Nothing worse than firsthand accounts.

They're far more entertaining.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Ah, heard about this on the BBC. It's apparently not the first of its kind of far-right incidents performed by Bundeswehr personnel. And judging from some of the news reports, the rot goes quite deep into the officer corps.

[Bakery Hill]

Ah, heard about this on the BBC. It's apparently not the first of its kind of far-right incidents performed by Bundeswehr personnel. And judging from some of the news reports, the rot goes quite deep into the officer corps.

This wouldn't have happened in the DDR.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If true, then that sounds awful.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Ah, heard about this on the BBC. It's apparently not the first of its kind of far-right incidents performed by Bundeswehr personnel. And judging from some of the news reports, the rot goes quite deep into the officer corps.

This wouldn't have happened in the DDR.

Maybe, but as an aside, Nazi-adulation and far-right tendencies have been exhibited by East Germans in the past so I wouldn't put it past the NVA that they probably had a couple of far-right folks in their ranks.

[Hurdergaryp]

If true, then that sounds awful.

Fortunately the neonazi bastards were discovered before they could execute their planned political assassinations.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If true, then that sounds awful.

Fortunately the neonazi bastards were discovered before they could execute their planned political assassinations.

Good, beacuse holy shit that sounds off the deep end insanity.

[Bakery Hill]

This wouldn't have happened in the DDR.

Maybe, but as an aside, Nazi-adulation and far-right tendencies have been exhibited by East Germans in the past so I wouldn't put it past the NVA that they probably had a couple of far-right folks in their ranks.

For the most part they were just used by the Stasi to undermine the decadent West.

[Hurdergaryp]

Fortunately the neonazi bastards were discovered before they could execute their planned political assassinations.

Good, beacuse holy shit that sounds off the deep end insanity.

Reality often tends to be stranger than fiction.

[Ifreann]

The Bundeswehr, while smaller than Russia's military, is better funded per-capita. And since when is Russia's military well-equipped? Both the Georgian and Ukranian incidents have revealed that despite trying to remain on the cutting edge of military technology, Russia is still incredibly reliant on aging Soviet-era equipment.

Just because not everyone needs to spend 6% of their GDP to make their aging Soviet dick look bigger doesn't mean they're weak.

TIL not being on war footing 24/7 means you can't defend yourselves against an invasion.

Seriously?

In comparison to the old days, when the SovUnion was still seen as a threat? Yes, that is true. The West German military of the 80s was a powerful beast even in comparison to now-united Germany's Bundeswehr. Though as Russia has become more and more of an annoying pain in the West's ass again, that attitude is changing.

In comparison to literally everyone else in the world? No. Not even remotely true.

If the German military is not in-line with the German nation, then purging the military will only strengthen the country, although this may disappoint those who don't support their country and would rather commit terrorist acts and blame it on others to compensate for their tiny and fragile egos.

Purges completely destroy morale, integrity, autonomy and only leave a disembowels and defenseless military who cannot act.

This still sounds better than a possible Nazi conspiracy.

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It really is.

How many tanks, airplanes and artillery does Switzerland have functional and ready to go? When you are fighting useless neighbors that sort of slack behavior will do. Not against a real foe. Money spent matters. The amount of actually ready kit matters. Most European militaries have criminally small amounts of either.

IIRC the Swiss airforce doesn't operate on weekends.

No one's gonna invade on a weekend, though.

[Bakery Hill]

Huh.

i wonder what mustve set the poor soldier off.

The inferior discipline and education that West Germany supplies to its fighting men.

[Hurdergaryp]

Purges completely destroy morale, integrity, autonomy and only leave a disembowels and defenseless military who cannot act.

This still sounds better than a possible Nazi conspiracy.

Also it is rather strange to proclaim that surgically removing any fascist tumors from the body of the Bundeswehr is a bad thing.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Maybe, but as an aside, Nazi-adulation and far-right tendencies have been exhibited by East Germans in the past so I wouldn't put it past the NVA that they probably had a couple of far-right folks in their ranks.

For the most part they were just used by the Stasi to undermine the decadent West.

Yes and no. Go read "Anatomy of a Dictatorship" and you'll find that this was a problem that the SED leadership had to grapple with all the same:

Swastikas and other appeals to the Nazi period were a recurrent symbol of unrest, clearly designed to antagonise the authorities. In 1956, in the context of the Hungarian crisis, there were numerous incidences of swastikas being daubed on walls often accompanied by the slogan 'SED - No!' At the beginning of August 1961, a week before the erection of the Berlin Wall, a large number of rough, uncomplimentary leaflets (Schmierzettel) with swastikas were found in the Wella-Ventile factory...

Most of these were simply designed to irritate and antagonise the authorities. Occasionally, there were attempts to bring together former Nazis, or to influence the young, or there were expressions to the effect that things were better in the old days. An SED report of January 1956 tells us that the owner of the Hotel Goldener Lowe in Plauen had been arrested, 'because there have yet again been unpermitted gatherings [literally 'riotous assemblies' - Zusammenrottungen] of former active fascists in his restaurant, who intend to found a so-called "League of Former Fascists" and who have been already been meeting regularly in the restaurant, singing fascist songs, etc.' In the context of the foundation of the National People's Army, a worker is reported as saying 'Build homes instead of barracks. We fought for a better cause in the fascist army than today.' A report of March 1961 complains that 'in the Magdeburg district it appeared that older colleagues were exerting a negative influence on youngsters, in that they were reporting their wartime experiences... in the most glowing colours. In the Kraftwerk Thalmann, Leipzig, youth were also under a bad influence and expressed the opinion that "they would have been better off in the Nazi Reich".' A schoolteacher was dismissed in 1969 for uttering such comments as 'I would have preferred to live under Hitler, he understood how to give youngsters ideals and mobilise them for his goals'. (pages 159 - 160)

[Bheothachadh]

Sad to see it was foiled. For every one you get, you miss a hundred more.

[Arotania]

Reality often tends to be stranger than fiction.

How true, how true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celle_Hole
Fun fact: the then Prime Minister of the federal state where this took place is (or rather was) the father of the current Minister of Defence. Such a fine family.

[Oneracon]

There needs to be a thorough investigation by the military leadership, the defense ministry, and the BfV to determine the extent of neo-Nazism in the military.

[The East Marches II]

Huh.

i wonder what mustve set the poor soldier off.

The inferior discipline and education that West Germany supplies to its fighting men.

The GDR was more A E S T H E T I C

Hipster before it was cool.

[Bakery Hill]

For the most part they were just used by the Stasi to undermine the decadent West.

Yes and no. Go read "Anatomy of a Dictatorship" and you'll find that this was a problem that the SED leadership had to grapple with all the same:

Swastikas and other appeals to the Nazi period were a recurrent symbol of unrest, clearly designed to antagonise the authorities. In 1956, in the context of the Hungarian crisis, there were numerous incidences of swastikas being daubed on walls often accompanied by the slogan 'SED - No!' At the beginning of August 1961, a week before the erection of the Berlin Wall, a large number of rough, uncomplimentary leaflets (Schmierzettel) with swastikas were found in the Wella-Ventile factory...

Most of these were simply designed to irritate and antagonise the authorities. Occasionally, there were attempts to bring together former Nazis, or to influence the young, or there were expressions to the effect that things were better in the old days. An SED report of January 1956 tells us that the owner of the Hotel Goldener Lowe in Plauen had been arrested, 'because there have yet again been unpermitted gatherings [literally 'riotous assemblies' - Zusammenrottungen] of former active fascists in his restaurant, who intend to found a so-called "League of Former Fascists" and who have been already been meeting regularly in the restaurant, singing fascist songs, etc.' In the context of the foundation of the National People's Army, a worker is reported as saying 'Build homes instead of barracks. We fought for a better cause in the fascist army than today.' A report of March 1961 complains that 'in the Magdeburg district it appeared that older colleagues were exerting a negative influence on youngsters, in that they were reporting their wartime experiences... in the most glowing colours. In the Kraftwerk Thalmann, Leipzig, youth were also under a bad influence and expressed the opinion that "they would have been better off in the Nazi Reich".' A schoolteacher was dismissed in 1969 for uttering such comments as 'I would have preferred to live under Hitler, he understood how to give youngsters ideals and mobilise them for his goals'. (pages 159 - 160)

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll be sure to check it out. It was good that the security services were able to keep a comparatively good lid on counter revolutionary agitation given the circumstances.