Malvinas/Falkland Islands Sovereignty

[UKCS]

When you started saying something about your military being powerful.
I mean, come on. Only an Argentinian would ever say that.

Your deductive capabilities are mind boggling

As is your nations capability for magnificently cocking up wars.

[Charnea]

Spanish > English

fuck no. Spanish has too many rules and is directly controlled by the stupid dumbasses at the Real Academia Española. fuck em

Every letter makes one sound. Its the wonder of a phonetic language, and a latin one at that. Roman roots, bruthhaa

[FelrikTheDeleted]

When you started saying something about your military being powerful.
I mean, come on. Only an Argentinian would ever say that.

I mean, it's pretty great if you compare it to, like, Paraguay.

That isn't exactly impressive.

[Dooom35796821595]

In my actual opinion, it's probably too late to have the Falklands return to Argentina because they've been populated by brits for so long, and now overwhelmingly wants to be with the UK. Therefore, they should keep their current government.

However, Argentina should receive primary rights over the maritime zone (while still allowing necessary back and forth between the UK and the islands), since that's what they really should be going after.

The Islands are 300 miles away, EEZs are 200 miles from a nations coast. Argentinas EEZ ends 100 miles away from the Falklands.

Personally, the will of the islanders reign supreme. If they want to stay British, so be it. If they want to join Argentina, so be it. But I am not a Falklander/Malvinesa, so...

Though personally, Malvinas is a better name than the Falkland Islands. But that's just me.

Spanish > English

Your linguistic maths is lacking, Spanish = French < English.

[Charnea]

Your deductive capabilities are mind boggling

As is your nations capability for magnificently cocking up wars.

I think the US and UK has faaaaaaar outclassed us in that regard.

There is more than one way to mess up a war.

Your linguistic maths is lacking, Spanish = French < English.

Let me ask you something. Do you like Brunettes or Blondes?

Both those words are French.

[Dooom35796821595]

As is your nations capability for magnificently cocking up wars.

I think the US and UK has faaaaaaar outclassed us in that regard.

There is more than one way to mess up a war.

Your linguistic maths is lacking, Spanish = French < English.

Let me ask you something. Do you like Brunettes or Blondes?

Both those words are French.

Neither. Checkmate Frenchman! Or possibly Spaniard.

[UKCS]

As is your nations capability for magnificently cocking up wars.

I think the US and UK has faaaaaaar outclassed us in that regard.

There is more than one way to mess up a war.

Your linguistic maths is lacking, Spanish = French < English. :p

Let me ask you something. Do you like Brunettes or Blondes?

Both those words are French.

Yeah, but we learn from our mistakes.
You guys were pretty pathetic. We had taken only a small portion of the islands back and you guys flew the white flag.

[Charnea]

Yeah, but we learn from our mistakes.
You guys were pretty pathetic. We had taking only a small portion of the islands back and you guys flew the white flag.

Oh yeah?

You've learned so much, its true!

You invaded Iraq, toppled the government, cause a vacuum of power, contributed to the rise of ISIS, and now...

You want to invade Syria, topple the government already fighting ISIS inside its own borders...and then there's cake, I assume?

I wonder how that war could possibly go sour.

[Charnea]

Neither. Checkmate Frenchman! Or possibly Spaniard.

Foiled again!

But seriously, all the good words come from latin, Spanish's mom.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I think people said they wanted to be British, I dunno, doesn't matter to me that much

[Ellarine]

The Falkland Islands belong to the United Kingdom, as the people who actually live there wish it to be. Since they are the only ones that actually matter in this debate, it's pretty rubbish of Argentina to keep perpetuating this absurd "claim".

[UKCS]

Yeah, but we learn from our mistakes.
You guys were pretty pathetic. We had taking only a small portion of the islands back and you guys flew the white flag.

Oh yeah?

You've learned so much, its true!

You invaded Iraq, toppled the government, cause a vacuum of power, contributed to the rise of ISIS, and now...

You want to invade Syria, topple the government already fighting ISIS inside its own borders...and then there's cake, I assume?

I wonder how that war could possibly go sour.

If you would kindly wake up, you would realise that the Iraq War is the precise reason we want Blair imprisoned/forcibly disappeared.
We, among many other nations all said no to the war. Blair and Bush were in each others pants, they would have gone to war with or without public support. Which is what they did. And you do seem to forget about the US involvement in these affairs. Ah yes, how could I forget....
Also, your nation should know quite a bit about disappearances.

[Charnea]

Oh yeah?

You've learned so much, its true!

You invaded Iraq, toppled the government, cause a vacuum of power, contributed to the rise of ISIS, and now...

You want to invade Syria, topple the government already fighting ISIS inside its own borders...and then there's cake, I assume?

I wonder how that war could possibly go sour.

If you would kindly wake up, you would realise that the Iraq War is the precise reason we want Blair imprisoned/forcibly disappeared.
We, among many other nations all said no to the war. Blair and Bush were in each others pants, they would have gone to war with or without public support. Which is what they did. And you do seem to forget about the US involvement in these affairs. Ah yes, how could I forget....
Also, your nation should know quite a bit about disappearances.

Oh, I am wiiide awake, and very amused.

[UKCS]

If you would kindly wake up, you would realise that the Iraq War is the precise reason we want Blair imprisoned/forcibly disappeared.
We, among many other nations all said no to the war. Blair and Bush were in each others pants, they would have gone to war with or without public support. Which is what they did. And you do seem to forget about the US involvement in these affairs. Ah yes, how could I forget....
Also, your nation should know quite a bit about disappearances.

Oh, I am wiiide awake, and very amused.

Amused by what? I am becoming quite amused with your delusions about the state of the world. Then again, SA is its own little bubble.

[Charnea]

Oh, I am wiiide awake, and very amused.

Amused by what? I am becoming quite amused with your delusions about the state of the world. Then again, SA is its own little bubble.

Says the one who is pro Brexit.

[Nulla Bellum]

Why not let the Falkland Islands annex Argentina?

[Area-569 AKA Human Mistake]

Argentinian who has actually bothered to study both sides of the story here.

It is important to understand that both sides have different viewpoints and ideas. I've seen many claim that the british got there first, while our history will always say that we governed them after we became independent from Spain. This is mostly irrelevant, because neither side has any conclusive proof that couldn't be forged. The history of the islands is actually very confusing and misty (Just read both the english and spanish wikipedia article on the islands; You'll find a lot of differences).

As for self-determination, this is tricky. The british appeal to democracy, while we say that this argument is ridiculous because the original kelpers were banished by the british, and the Empire itself didn't care about the islands or it's citizens until they could be used to strenghten Thatcher's weak popularity.

As for territory, here's the deal: Neither government cares about the kelpers. They want the resources in the islands, and perhaps the popular support of mantaining the empire/pride of the patria. So that is the value of the territory. We talk about continental plates to see if we get more support, but that really isn't a decisive argument.

Finally, I refuse to talk about nationalism because I find that to be the dumbest of concepts. But my views are besides the point: All I can say is that nobody really involved in this issue cares about the national spirit, but they think of it as a good tool to keep a claim on the islands.

[UKCS]

Amused by what? I am becoming quite amused with your delusions about the state of the world. Then again, SA is its own little bubble.

Says the one who is pro Brexit.

Ohhhh, I am not even going to get into that one.
You can't use that as another fucking excuse, engage your brain and give an intelligent argument, as opposed to "uhhh.... BREXIT!".
Doesn't work.
Although I will say this; I would have initially voted remain, but now the EU is proving to be even more corrupt/malicious than I previously thought. Hence, I am BOTH pro Brexit and EU.

[UKCS]

Argentinian who has actually bothered to study both sides of the story here.

It is important to understand that both sides have different viewpoints and ideas. I've seen many claim that the british got there first, while our history will always say that we governed them after we became independent from Spain. This is mostly irrelevant, because neither side has any conclusive proof that couldn't be forged. The history of the islands is actually very confusing and misty (Just read both the english and spanish wikipedia article on the islands; You'll find a lot of differences).

As for self-determination, this is tricky. The british appeal to democracy, while we say that this argument is ridiculous because the original kelpers were banished by the british, and the Empire itself didn't care about the islands or it's citizens until they could be used to strenghten Thatcher's weak popularity.

As for territory, here's the deal: Neither government cares about the kelpers. They want the resources in the islands, and perhaps the popular support of mantaining the empire/pride of the patria. So that is the value of the territory. We talk about continental plates to see if we get more support, but that really isn't a decisive argument.

Finally, I refuse to talk about nationalism because I find that to be the dumbest of concepts. But my views are besides the point: All I can say is that nobody really involved in this issue cares about the national spirit, but they think of it as a good tool to keep a claim on the islands.

I almost completely agree with that.
It would be nice if we all stopped bickering over it. Not that I support handing it over, mind you.

[Charnea]

Says the one who is pro Brexit.

Ohhhh, I am not even going to get into that one.
You can't use that as another fucking excuse, engage your brain and give an intelligent argument, as opposed to "uhhh.... BREXIT!".
Doesn't work.
Although I will say this; I would have initially voted remain, but now the EU is proving to be even more corrupt/malicious than I previously thought. Hence, I am BOTH pro Brexit and EU.

[Ambarii]

heh.

Argentina, the joke of a south american nation.

Aside from Chile, Argentina is probably the best country on the continent to live in.

[UKCS]

Ohhhh, I am not even going to get into that one.
You can't use that as another fucking excuse, engage your brain and give an intelligent argument, as opposed to "uhhh.... BREXIT!".
Doesn't work.
Although I will say this; I would have initially voted remain, but now the EU is proving to be even more corrupt/malicious than I previously thought. Hence, I am BOTH pro Brexit and EU.

:lol2:

Yeah, my point is proven.
Bloody childish....

[Charnea]

heh.

Argentina, the joke of a south american nation.

Aside from Chile, Argentina is probably the best country on the continent to live in.

^

I will reiterate.

Argentina does have socialized medicine and free university.

You know, the things the US insists it cannot afford.

[Charnea]

Yeah, my point is proven.
Bloody childish....

Its just so funny!

I'd rather laugh at the tremendous humor of the situation than make a fool of myself by trying to unravel your mental gymnastics.

[Costa Fierro]

When you started saying something about your military being powerful.
I mean, come on. Only an Argentinian would ever say that.

I mean, it's pretty great if you compare it to, like, Paraguay.

Paraguay's military still uses Sherman tanks from WW2. Fucking Bolivia has a better military.