Malvinas/Falkland Islands Sovereignty

[Risottia]

The so called islanders can be sold out for the overall good of the UK. Some money and off they go to live in luxury in some part of the UK. Those that refuse the money get to vote in the next Argentinian elections.

"So called"? Do they not live there? Are the not islands?

Nope. You see, continental shelf matters, says Argentina. Hence the Falklands are directly connected to London. Via Doggerland (continental seabed of Eurasia!), Eurasia, Eastern Siberia (North American plate!), Beringia (it's still continental seabed of NA), Central America, South America, Falklands.

[Imperializt Russia]

Which means absolutely nothing. Unless Argentina is planning on being freedomized

Argentina has all the time in the world. I cannot say the same about the UK. They were having on the news the other day that Scotland wants another independence vote. The current UK. government seems to be ok with it but only after the Brexit is completed. Then there were talks of how the UK. pulling out of the EU. could affect there WTO membership and so on.

Economically speaking, the UK. would benefit from more trade with Argentina. Those islands are nothing but a drain on there treasury.

Argentina would be interested in negotiating a bilateral free-trade agreement with the U.K. as it prepares to leave the European Union,

The UK Government is pumping £1bn into helping British companies trade with Argentina after a 20-year hiatus.

Investing in companies so they can do business where they've not done business for decades, SHOCK.

[Rio Cana]

Since we have mentioned Antarctica. It seems the UK. foreign office has put an alert warning on Antarctica. So is this for real or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBtjbCdC9Hc

Found another source - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/antarctica-ris ... nt-1621816

[Risottia]

Since we have mentioned Antarctica. It seems the UK. foreign office has put an alert warning on Antarctica. So is this for real or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBtjbCdC9Hc

Found another source - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/antarctica-ris ... nt-1621816

Well, considering how British Territories in the Southern Ocean have been attacked by crackpot dictatorships in the past, you never know.

[Costa Fierro]

Since we have mentioned Antarctica. It seems the UK. foreign office has put an alert warning on Antarctica. So is this for real or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBtjbCdC9Hc

Found another source - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/antarctica-ris ... nt-1621816

Hey, those leopard seals can be very aggressive.

[Aboim]

It's not exactly new, but, anyway:

UN C24 calls for negotiations over Falkland Islands sovereignty between Argentina, UK yet again

Although a ritualistic yearly event where Faurie pleaded, as usual, to settle the dispute in a negotiation with the United Kingdom, Friday's presentation came within a context of rapprochement between Buenos Aires and London, which led to the signing of the joint statement late in 2016, whereby the current International Committee of the Red Cross' mission to identify the bodies of Argentine soldiers buried 123 graves at the Darwin cemetery was made possible.

It was a first for Faurie and a last appearance for Falkland Islands MLA Mike Summers, who is to retire by the end of the year. He insisted that the islands were not a colony of the United Kingdom but a successful and self-sufficient economy and that the islanders had a right to “self-determination.”

Summers said there had been “very welcome progress” and that, among other issues, the return of commercial flights between the islands and the mainland had begun, but after that first progress, everything was now frozen. He also accused Argentina of exercising “economic colonialism” with sanctions to undermine the islanders' economy and pressure them.

He added that “the Argentine Republic is determined to respect and defend the way of life of those living in the Malvinas - it is a commitment by all democratic governments.” He then pointed out that the resolution of the dispute should take into account as an indispensable requirement the “interests of the population of the islands”.

As is the case each year, the Committee unanimously adopted a resolution reiterating the call for a “peaceful and negotiated solution to the dispute over sovereignty” between Argentina and the United Kingdom. The resolution was presented by Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela.

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/06/24/un- ... -yet-again

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/18/fal ... as-planned

Here, a good article about the Falklands:

http://www.valor.com.br/especial/ilhas-malvinas

It's Brazilian, obviously in Portuguese, but has a good content. The player is terrible, unfortunately.

[Godular]

It's not exactly new, but, anyway:

UN C24 calls for negotiations over Falkland Islands sovereignty between Argentina, UK yet again

Although a ritualistic yearly event where Faurie pleaded, as usual, to settle the dispute in a negotiation with the United Kingdom, Friday's presentation came within a context of rapprochement between Buenos Aires and London, which led to the signing of the joint statement late in 2016, whereby the current International Committee of the Red Cross' mission to identify the bodies of Argentine soldiers buried 123 graves at the Darwin cemetery was made possible.

It was a first for Faurie and a last appearance for Falkland Islands MLA Mike Summers, who is to retire by the end of the year. He insisted that the islands were not a colony of the United Kingdom but a successful and self-sufficient economy and that the islanders had a right to “self-determination.”

Summers said there had been “very welcome progress” and that, among other issues, the return of commercial flights between the islands and the mainland had begun, but after that first progress, everything was now frozen. He also accused Argentina of exercising “economic colonialism” with sanctions to undermine the islanders' economy and pressure them.

He added that “the Argentine Republic is determined to respect and defend the way of life of those living in the Malvinas - it is a commitment by all democratic governments.” He then pointed out that the resolution of the dispute should take into account as an indispensable requirement the “interests of the population of the islands”.

As is the case each year, the Committee unanimously adopted a resolution reiterating the call for a “peaceful and negotiated solution to the dispute over sovereignty” between Argentina and the United Kingdom. The resolution was presented by Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela.

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/06/24/un- ... -yet-again

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/18/fal ... as-planned

Here, a good article about the Falklands:

http://www.valor.com.br/especial/ilhas-malvinas

It's Brazilian, obviously in Portuguese, but has a good content. The player is terrible, unfortunately.

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

[Vassenor]

It's not exactly new, but, anyway:

UN C24 calls for negotiations over Falkland Islands sovereignty between Argentina, UK yet again

Although a ritualistic yearly event where Faurie pleaded, as usual, to settle the dispute in a negotiation with the United Kingdom, Friday's presentation came within a context of rapprochement between Buenos Aires and London, which led to the signing of the joint statement late in 2016, whereby the current International Committee of the Red Cross' mission to identify the bodies of Argentine soldiers buried 123 graves at the Darwin cemetery was made possible.

It was a first for Faurie and a last appearance for Falkland Islands MLA Mike Summers, who is to retire by the end of the year. He insisted that the islands were not a colony of the United Kingdom but a successful and self-sufficient economy and that the islanders had a right to “self-determination.”

Summers said there had been “very welcome progress” and that, among other issues, the return of commercial flights between the islands and the mainland had begun, but after that first progress, everything was now frozen. He also accused Argentina of exercising “economic colonialism” with sanctions to undermine the islanders' economy and pressure them.

He added that “the Argentine Republic is determined to respect and defend the way of life of those living in the Malvinas - it is a commitment by all democratic governments.” He then pointed out that the resolution of the dispute should take into account as an indispensable requirement the “interests of the population of the islands”.

As is the case each year, the Committee unanimously adopted a resolution reiterating the call for a “peaceful and negotiated solution to the dispute over sovereignty” between Argentina and the United Kingdom. The resolution was presented by Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela.

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/06/24/un- ... -yet-again

http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/18/fal ... as-planned

Here, a good article about the Falklands:

http://www.valor.com.br/especial/ilhas-malvinas

It's Brazilian, obviously in Portuguese, but has a good content. The player is terrible, unfortunately.

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

Plus Argentina has a nasty habit of throwing a tantrum and walking out of any negotiation when it's suggested that the islanders be represented.

[Sovaal]

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

Plus Argentina has a nasty habit of throwing a tantrum and walking out of any negotiation when it's suggested that the islanders be represented.

But then it would be known that the inhabitants are British people who want to remain British.

[Fartsniffage]

Plus Argentina has a nasty habit of throwing a tantrum and walking out of any negotiation when it's suggested that the islanders be represented.

But then it would be known that the inhabitants are British people who want to remain British.

That's the opposite of the problem they have. The reason they insist that the Kelpers are only represented by the British government is that it means they can deny that are a separate people with historical rights to live on the islands. It maintains their narrative that it is a transplanted population with no right to self-determination.

[Benuty]

But then it would be known that the inhabitants are British people who want to remain British.

That's the opposite of the problem they have. The reason they insist that the Kelpers are only represented by the British government is that it means they can deny that are a separate people with historical rights to live on the islands. It maintains their narrative that it is a transplanted population with no right to self-determination.

TIL a population that has lived in an area for multiple generations is transplanted, and therefore has no right to do anything. You could make an argument most of the former Spanish colonies should return to the motherland based on that logic.

[Aboim]

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

Because Deal with It is usually unproductive when you're not US or China.

And the resulting nationalism is an ace up the governments' sleeve in Argentina and even in UK.

[Godular]

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

Because Deal with It is usually unproductive when you're not US or China.

And the resulting nationalism is an ace up the governments' sleeve in Argentina and even in UK.

It was not 'deal with it', it was 'Get stuffed, Argentina'. Rather big difference in the implications.

Seems that the Argies talk a good game about 'representing the will of the islanders', right up until the will of the islanders is actually represented.

[Imperializt Russia]

If I do recall correctly, the will of the islanders was something along the lines of 'argentina can get stuffed'.

Kinda stupid for the C24 folks to keep bringing the same shit up even in the face of such clearly defined wishes.

Because Deal with It is usually unproductive when you're not US or China.

And the resulting nationalism is an ace up the governments' sleeve in Argentina and even in UK.

Three Kelpers voted in the 2013 referendum against the status quo.
And those still aren't votes for getting the Argies involved.

99.8% of the 1516 votes were in favour of the current arrangement, on a 91.94% turnout.

[Costa Fierro]

Plus Argentina has a nasty habit of throwing a tantrum and walking out of any negotiation when it's suggested that the islanders be represented.

Mauricio Macri doesn't strike me as someone to use the Falklands as a distraction for Argentina's (again) flailing economy.

TIL a population that has lived in an area for multiple generations is transplanted, and therefore has no right to do anything. You could make an argument most of the former Spanish colonies should return to the motherland based on that logic.

The Guaraní and the Mapuche would be supportive of that, as Argentines transplanted themselves onto native lands, or in the Mapuche's case, via ethnic cleansing.

[Hurdergaryp]

I'm kinda surprised the Guaraní and the Mapuche have not been totally eradicated, but maybe that was not the Christian thing to do or something. It's more probable the Argentines lost interest after they successfully took the land of those people as their own, of course.

[New Rogernomics]

The Falkland Islands dispute has always been a tool of distraction for the Argentine government, and is a good vote winner.

The Argentine claim would be the equivalent of another country demanding the territory it had 200 years ago, which is pretty flaky from any kind of legal standpoint.

Then there's the gas and oil, which one could easily speculate is a large part of why Argentina wants it.

[Costa Fierro]

I'm kinda surprised the Guaraní and the Mapuche have not been totally eradicated, but maybe that was not the Christian thing to do or something. It's more probable the Argentines lost interest after they successfully took the land of those people as their own, of course.

That's pretty much it. The military expedition into Patagonia was to secure land for white settlers, and remove the threat any Mapuches in the area posed given they were also causing problems for Chilean settlers in central and southern areas.

[Charnea]

The Falkland Islands dispute has always been a tool of distraction for the Argentine government, and is a good vote winner.

The Argentine claim would be the equivalent of another country demanding the territory it had 200 years ago, which is pretty flaky from any kind of legal standpoint.

Then there's the gas and oil, which one could easily speculate is a large part of why Argentina wants it.

Try 2,000 years ago. *glares at Israel*

But nobody seems to question their claim in the west, outside of activist groups.

[Genivaria]

The Falkland Islands dispute has always been a tool of distraction for the Argentine government, and is a good vote winner.

The Argentine claim would be the equivalent of another country demanding the territory it had 200 years ago, which is pretty flaky from any kind of legal standpoint.

Then there's the gas and oil, which one could easily speculate is a large part of why Argentina wants it.

Try 2,000 years ago. *glares at Israel*

But nobody seems to question their claim in the west, outside of activist groups.

1. There were a good number of Jews already living in Palestine before the Ottomans were kicked in the shins.
2. The divisiveness between the local Jews and Arabs can be blamed on the British.

[Charnea]

Try 2,000 years ago. *glares at Israel*

But nobody seems to question their claim in the west, outside of activist groups.

1. There were a good number of Jews already living in Palestine before the Ottomans were kicked in the shins.
2. The divisiveness between the local Jews and Arabs can be blamed on the British.

1. Those jews were Zionist settlers coming out of the Pale of Settlement in the 19th and early 20th centuries, the native arab jews were a tiny, tiny, tiny minority.
2. The British favored the Zionists over the Palestinians right up until the King David Hotel bombing.

And 3. none of what you said effectively addresses my point that Israel and the Zionist movements that set it up effectively went a "homeland" they hadn't lived in since Roman times, bought out or forced out the native population, colonized it with their own settlements and called it their own.

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

THE FALKLANDS ISLANDS ARE BRAZILIAN
ARGENTINA IS BRAZILIAN
URUGUAY IS BRAZILIAN
PARAGUAI IS BRAZILIAN
LATIN AMERICA IS BRAZILIAN

[Thermodolia]

THE FALKLANDS ISLANDS ARE BRAZILIAN
ARGENTINA IS BRAZILIAN
URUGUAY IS BRAZILIAN
PARAGUAI IS BRAZILIAN
LATIN AMERICA IS BRAZILIAN

No Latin America is rightful Serb clay

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

THE FALKLANDS ISLANDS ARE BRAZILIAN
ARGENTINA IS BRAZILIAN
URUGUAY IS BRAZILIAN
PARAGUAI IS BRAZILIAN
LATIN AMERICA IS BRAZILIAN

No Latin America is rightful Serb clay

nah, they are too busy with internal problems

[Imperializt Russia]

The Falkland Islands dispute has always been a tool of distraction for the Argentine government, and is a good vote winner.

The Argentine claim would be the equivalent of another country demanding the territory it had 200 years ago, which is pretty flaky from any kind of legal standpoint.

Then there's the gas and oil, which one could easily speculate is a large part of why Argentina wants it.

Try 2,000 years ago. *glares at Israel*

But nobody seems to question their claim in the west, outside of activist groups.

Also China.

*glares at nine-dash-line*