Malvinas/Falkland Islands Sovereignty

[Ellarine]

The fact we are debating a fiction by a military dictatorship to this day astounds me.

Yep, it astounds the world too. I'd say the Falklands War should have been the end of the matter.

[Salandriagado]

Do you have the opinion that; A)The Malvinas/Falkland Islands should remain under control of the UK, or B)The Malvinas/The Falkland Islands should become part of Argentina?

I hold the opinion that the Malvinas are Argentinean territory, as the British illegally forced out the Argentines in the past and barred them from resettling.

What is your opinion, NSG?

Did they ever actually control the island?

Briefly, in the middle of the Falklands war. Earlier claims are reliant on some decidedly questionable claims of continuity from previous states that have neither constitutional nor geographical continuity with modern Argentina.

[Risottia]

The Falklands belong to Sealand!

And Sealand belongs to the Graubünden!

Because you don't mess with people who got mountain goats in their flag.

[San Marlindo]

When it comes to combat airplanes, Argentina was going to buy 15 Mig-29 bombers from Russia.

The MiG-29 is a lightweight multirole fighter (with a focus on short-range interception), not a bomber. It has a 2100 km FERRY (not combat) range with drop tanks (1500 km without). Considering how a trip from Argentina to the Falklands is about 500 km, they hardly place a significant threat to the Falklands and the Eurofighters stationed there.
Unless Argentina is planning to build a carrier, that is - which somewhat I don't see coming right now.

Aye, but the MiG is certainly capable of firing an anti-ship missile. If it were deployed by the Argentines in the Falklands then it would almost certainly be used to attack the Royal Navy seacraft rather than other fighters, which would cause it to run out of fuel due to being forced to do all those necessary aerial combat maneuvers at the edge of its operating range.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I always have a good giggle when this comes up.

Related. Most Argentinans are logical folks, but you sure do grow a fine crop of crazies.

[NewVinlandia]

Poll needs a 3rd option: "c: whoever the islanders vote for." I don't really see any other option being fair.

[Cuprum]

In a couple of years those islands will be unhabited or devoured by the sea like the Netherlands due to the global warming advance. So why shall we care about it?

[San Marlindo]

Support for the British claim to the Falklands has been overwhelming here, which isn't surprising given that this is an English-speaking forum and the predominantly Western, Anglophone demographic is likelier to be represented more heavily.

However, I've noticed that most Latin American countries support Argentina's claims to the Falklands, especially Brazil and Mexico.

I wonder if the same OP were posted on a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking forum with a predominantly Latin American, Lusophone/Hispanic demographic would the results of the poll and the majority of opinions on the thread be radically different?

[San Marlindo]

In a couple of years those islands will be unhabited or devoured by the sea like the Netherlands due to the global warming advance. So why shall we care about it?

If those islands and The Hague are still above ground in 2019, you owe me a beer.

[Thermodolia]

Poll needs a 3rd option: "c: whoever the islanders vote for." I don't really see any other option being fair.

Well that would be the UK then. Because the islanders themselves want to be British.

[NewVinlandia]

Poll needs a 3rd option: "c: whoever the islanders vote for." I don't really see any other option being fair.

Well that would be the UK then. Because the islanders themselves want to be British.

Which is exactly what I would suspect would happen, which would/should be the end of it really.

[The Alma Mater]

Support for the British claim to the Falklands has been overwhelming here, which isn't surprising given that this is an English-speaking forum and the predominantly Western, Anglophone demographic is likelier to be represented more heavily.

However, I've noticed that most Latin American countries support Argentina's claims to the Falklands, especially Brazil and Mexico.

I wonder if the same OP were posted on a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking forum with a predominantly Latin American, Lusophone/Hispanic demographic would the results of the poll and the majority of opinions on the thread be radically different?

Perhaps. But are there actually arguments that support Argentinas claim other then "they're pretty close" and "they want it" ?

[The Alma Mater]

Well that would be the UK then. Because the islanders themselves want to be British.

Which is exactly what I would suspect would happen, which would/should be the end of it really.

Except Argentina claims the inhabitants were planted there for this explicit purpose and therefor should not be heeded.

[Salandriagado]

Poll needs a 3rd option: "c: whoever the islanders vote for." I don't really see any other option being fair.

The islanders have voted. The answer is the second option in the poll.

Well that would be the UK then. Because the islanders themselves want to be British.

Which is exactly what I would suspect would happen, which would/should be the end of it really.

We don't need to "suspect" anything. They literally had a referendum. All but three people voted to stay in the UK.

[The ISCA]

Sovereignty rests with the people of the Malvinas. They chose Britain. Argentina should respect that.
The spanish name is far more euphonious than "Falklands" imo, don't taze me bro

[San Marlindo]

Support for the British claim to the Falklands has been overwhelming here, which isn't surprising given that this is an English-speaking forum and the predominantly Western, Anglophone demographic is likelier to be represented more heavily.

However, I've noticed that most Latin American countries support Argentina's claims to the Falklands, especially Brazil and Mexico.

I wonder if the same OP were posted on a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking forum with a predominantly Latin American, Lusophone/Hispanic demographic would the results of the poll and the majority of opinions on the thread be radically different?

Perhaps. But are there actually arguments that support Argentinas claim other then "they're pretty close" and "they want it" ?

Many countries have controlled those islands at one time or another, the U.K. most consistently.

However they were considered part of Argentina in the early 1830s. In 1833 the Royal Navy unilaterally annexed the Falklands from the Argentine governor at the time, Jose Pinedo. The Argentines and their supporters in the dispute consider the British annexation of 1833 illegal (OK, that's understandable), and claim that the British then resettled large numbers of colonists on the islands to consolidate their control.

[Hurdergaryp]

We've had quite a few threads about this subject over the years. Wasn't there supposed to be a moratorium or something?

[Turealia]

The Falklands should be independent. Not British, nor Argentinian. Each side's got it wrong.

[The Alma Mater]

Perhaps. But are there actually arguments that support Argentinas claim other then "they're pretty close" and "they want it" ?

Many countries have controlled those islands at one time or another, the U.K. most consistently.

However they were considered part of Argentina in the early 1830s. In 1833 the Royal Navy unilaterally annexed the Falklands from the Argentine governor at the time, Jose Pinedo. The Argentines and their supporters in the dispute consider the British annexation of 1833 illegal (OK, that's understandable), and claim that the British then resettled large numbers of colonists on the islands to consolidate their control.

So basicly their claim is "you owned it for centuries, we took it from you in 1829, you took it back in 1833 and we do not like that - so it is ours"
Right.

[San Marlindo]

Many countries have controlled those islands at one time or another, the U.K. most consistently.

However they were considered part of Argentina in the early 1830s. In 1833 the Royal Navy unilaterally annexed the Falklands from the Argentine governor at the time, Jose Pinedo. The Argentines and their supporters in the dispute consider the British annexation of 1833 illegal (OK, that's understandable), and claim that the British then resettled large numbers of colonists on the islands to consolidate their control.

So basicly their claim is "you owned it for centuries, we took it from you in 1829, you took it back in 1833 and we do not like that - so it is ours"
Right.

That's not the way it worked.

The islands were not owned by any one nation at the time. The British extended protection to their nationals and their settlements in the islands, but did not claim sovereignty of the entire territory itself.

Proponents of the Argentine side state that Argentina was the first country since Spain to claim everything there as its sovereign territory (although to be fair these claims were not recognized by any other country).

[NewVinlandia]

Poll needs a 3rd option: "c: whoever the islanders vote for." I don't really see any other option being fair.

The islanders have voted. The answer is the second option in the poll.

Which is exactly what I would suspect would happen, which would/should be the end of it really.

We don't need to "suspect" anything. They literally had a referendum. All but three people voted to stay in the UK.

Case closed then, really. What the poll should ask then is, "how might the Argentinians justify the invasion & complete disregard for what ostensibly can be seen as an indigenous culture within a legitimate state?"

[Risottia]

The MiG-29 is a lightweight multirole fighter (with a focus on short-range interception), not a bomber. It has a 2100 km FERRY (not combat) range with drop tanks (1500 km without). Considering how a trip from Argentina to the Falklands is about 500 km, they hardly place a significant threat to the Falklands and the Eurofighters stationed there.
Unless Argentina is planning to build a carrier, that is - which somewhat I don't see coming right now.

Aye, but the MiG is certainly capable of firing an anti-ship missile. If it were deployed by the Argentines in the Falklands then it would almost certainly be used to attack the Royal Navy seacraft rather than other fighters, which would cause it to run out of fuel due to being forced to do all those necessary aerial combat maneuvers at the edge of its operating range.

I don't think Argentina can afford antiship missiles with range enough to execute standoff attacks from a safe range against vessels in FI waters, so, nah, the Argentine politicians can banter as much as they want about the islands to get some more votes, but their military spending choices say that they know the FI are going to stay the way they are now for a long time.

[Grand Jan Mayen]

There should be a 3rd option

#FalklandIslandsforidependence2k17

[The Alma Mater]

There should be a 3rd option

#FalklandIslandsforidependence2k17

Why ? The locals do not want that.

Though I quite liked the suggestion of the Falklands annexing Argentina.

[Grand Jan Mayen]

There should be a 3rd option

#FalklandIslandsforidependence2k17

Why ? The locals do not want that.

Though I quite liked the suggestion of the Falklands annexing Argentina.

Wut?