Loved one, or stranger?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

It's Rape night on NSG.

I'll stick with rape, thank you.

Sigged.

It's always tiem for raep.

[SaintB]

Third option. if he is so wealthy and powerful all he needs is my DNA, her DNA, a donor Egg, and someone willing to carry the child.

[Callisdrun]

If my SO was being tortured, I'd do it, because I care about her more than the random girl.

But I'd feel like such a monster that I'd kill myself after.

[JuNii]

A very interesting hypothetical based on a dream I had a few years ago. By the way, I have very interesting dreams. This dream is told from the perspective of a man, and there's no way for me to convert it. You'll just have to make do, ladies.

Let's suppose that someone of infinite moneys and power (or, finite, but enough that you can't match it) has kidnapped you because he likes your DNA profile, and has kidnapped another person that he liked her DNA profile. This powerful person's aim, of course, is for you two to produce a child which then the rich person will take as his own. You are your age, and the girl is ~15.

Here's the kicker. She doesn't want to have sex with you, and she's so idealistic he hasn't been able to barter or threaten her with anything to make her willingly submit. Therefore, you will have to rape her.

As leverage, this rich man has kidnapped your SO, and she will be tortured until you rape this girl and impregnate her (however many times that takes), at which time you and your SO will be released.

So, how will it be - rape the girl and force her to carry your spawn, or watch your loved one suffer?

By the way - this is a hypothetical, and there's no way to escape or otherwise beat it. Either you rape the girl, or you don't.

if forced between the two? I'll never rape anyone. It would be almost impossible for me to. the thought of inflicting that kind of pain would make the blood drain out soo fast, I would be mistaken for impotent.

I only hope that my SO will forgive me for this stand.

now, if this person is so fucking rich, why the hell can he not get her DNA (Egg) and my DNA (Sperm) and find one of her relatives to pay to carry the child to term.

I would be happy to provide a sample for Free.

[JuNii]

G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.

Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.

TBH... If he tortures my SO, I really doubt he would live to see his heir even conceived, much less born.

[JuNii]

oh, and Gallo... I know someone who uses his dreams as a basis for really creepy CoC Scenarios...

[Nobel Hobos]

Here's the kicker. She doesn't want to have sex with you, and she's so idealistic he hasn't been able to barter or threaten her with anything to make her willingly submit. Therefore, you will have to rape her.


So, how will it be - rape the girl and force her to carry your spawn, or watch your loved one suffer?

The bolded shows that the master has tried to gain her consent.

The master clearly has the resources to artificially inseminate the girl. Suggest that HE does the raping, using your semen.

By the way - this is a hypothetical, and there's no way to escape or otherwise beat it. Either you rape the girl, or you don't.

That makes it stupid. Deliberately exclude any use of imagination ? BORING.

But if you insist: suggest to the master that he gives the girl a date-rape drug. Then rape her when she's unconscious.

Or you could say, "OK, OK, I'll do it" and then when you go to her, murder her to thwart the master's evil plan. Harsh.

Ah-hah ! I have it. Surrogate mother. Surgically remove a few of the girl's eggs, let her go. Employ a willing surrogate. Master gets his baby, no-one gets raped, master kills you both ... but then, he was going to do that anyway right ?

[Nobel Hobos]

now, if this person is so fucking rich, why the hell can he not get her DNA (Egg) and my DNA (Sperm) and find one of her relatives to pay to carry the child to term.

Arggh. That's teach me not to read the thread at all.

[JuNii]

now, if this person is so fucking rich, why the hell can he not get her DNA (Egg) and my DNA (Sperm) and find one of her relatives to pay to carry the child to term.

Arggh. That's teach me not to read the thread at all.

several others also mentioned it.

[Person012345]

Rape her. As I see it one of two things can happen:
One person can temporarily suffer, and maybe if you explained the situation she may be able to accept it better.
Or
One person can suffer indefinitely under terrible pain.

Now, you care about the latter person, and you've never met the former before.

The former would bring no happiness to anyone, the latter would be fun for me.

There really isn't any question about which I'd do.

Also, as soon as me and my SO are released (assuming the dream that says you cannot escape etc. also says that he WILL release you) I'd hunt him down, kill him, and get my child.

[Nobel Hobos]

Rape her. As I see it one of two things can happen:
One person can temporarily suffer, and maybe if you explained the situation she may be able to accept it better.
Or
One person can suffer indefinitely under terrible pain.

Now, you care about the latter person, and you've never met the former before.

The former would bring no happiness to anyone, the latter would be fun for me.

There really isn't any question about which I'd do.

Also, as soon as me and my SO are released (assuming the dream that says you cannot escape etc. also says that he WILL release you) I'd hunt him down, kill him, and get my child.

It's not your child (half yours at best).

The Master has committed a serious crime, and is plainly a heartless bastard. He'd kill you when he had what he wanted from you.

And he'd probably kill the mother too, or keep her in permanent captivity if he wanted her to raise the child.

[Person012345]

Rape her. As I see it one of two things can happen:
One person can temporarily suffer, and maybe if you explained the situation she may be able to accept it better.
Or
One person can suffer indefinitely under terrible pain.

Now, you care about the latter person, and you've never met the former before.

The former would bring no happiness to anyone, the latter would be fun for me.

There really isn't any question about which I'd do.

Also, as soon as me and my SO are released (assuming the dream that says you cannot escape etc. also says that he WILL release you) I'd hunt him down, kill him, and get my child.

It's not your child (half yours at best).

The Master has committed a serious crime, and is plainly a heartless bastard. He'd kill you when he had what he wanted from you.

And he'd probably kill the mother too, or keep her in permanent captivity if he wanted her to raise the child.

As I said, I was working on the assumption the OP is accurate. He already stated we can't escape etc. it's his dream, so I will assume that the guy would let us go. If it was real life I would look for other things I could do.

Also, how is any child ever more than half someones? It's still their child.

[Nobel Hobos]

Rape her. As I see it one of two things can happen:
One person can temporarily suffer, and maybe if you explained the situation she may be able to accept it better.
Or
One person can suffer indefinitely under terrible pain.

Now, you care about the latter person, and you've never met the former before.

The former would bring no happiness to anyone, the latter would be fun for me.

There really isn't any question about which I'd do.

Also, as soon as me and my SO are released (assuming the dream that says you cannot escape etc. also says that he WILL release you) I'd hunt him down, kill him, and get my child.

It's not your child (half yours at best).

The Master has committed a serious crime, and is plainly a heartless bastard. He'd kill you when he had what he wanted from you.

And he'd probably kill the mother too, or keep her in permanent captivity if he wanted her to raise the child.

As I said, I was working on the assumption the OP is accurate. He already stated we can't escape etc. it's his dream, so I will assume that the guy would let us go. If it was real life I would look for other things I could do.

Also, how is any child ever more than half someones? It's still their child.

Just a bugbear of mine. We seem to use "my" in a different sense when talking about people. Of course you can't own a person.

When someone says "you have no right to tell me how to cut my child's hair" it sounds fair enough, if directed at a stranger. How about if it's directed at the child's other parent ?

What I was saying in this case, is that the child is half-yours biologically.

And you haven't done anything (voluntarily) to parent it yet, so it's not "your" child in any other sense.

If you consider that the child is "half-yours" you see the factor you have overlooked. The biological mother has an equal claim biologically, and a greater claim morally because she had to carry a pregnancy to make that child, while you didn't do anything.

So when you go to get "your" child back, what do you do if the woman you raped tells you to go get bent, it's her child not yours ?

[Person012345]

Rape her. As I see it one of two things can happen:
One person can temporarily suffer, and maybe if you explained the situation she may be able to accept it better.
Or
One person can suffer indefinitely under terrible pain.

Now, you care about the latter person, and you've never met the former before.

The former would bring no happiness to anyone, the latter would be fun for me.

There really isn't any question about which I'd do.

Also, as soon as me and my SO are released (assuming the dream that says you cannot escape etc. also says that he WILL release you) I'd hunt him down, kill him, and get my child.

It's not your child (half yours at best).

The Master has committed a serious crime, and is plainly a heartless bastard. He'd kill you when he had what he wanted from you.

And he'd probably kill the mother too, or keep her in permanent captivity if he wanted her to raise the child.

As I said, I was working on the assumption the OP is accurate. He already stated we can't escape etc. it's his dream, so I will assume that the guy would let us go. If it was real life I would look for other things I could do.

Also, how is any child ever more than half someones? It's still their child.

Just a bugbear of mine. We seem to use "my" in a different sense when talking about people. Of course you can't own a person.

When someone says "you have no right to tell me how to cut my child's hair" it sounds fair enough, if directed at a stranger. How about if it's directed at the child's other parent ?

What I was saying in this case, is that the child is half-yours biologically.

And you haven't done anything (voluntarily) to parent it yet, so it's not "your" child in any other sense.

If you consider that the child is "half-yours" you see the factor you have overlooked. The biological mother has an equal claim biologically, and a greater claim morally because she had to carry a pregnancy to make that child, while you didn't do anything.

So when you go to get "your" child back, what do you do if the woman you raped tells you to go get bent, it's her child not yours ?

Oh, I don't claim ownership of the child, only parentage. As far as custody goes, if she decided to keep it I'd hope we could work out something since I didn't really have a choice in raping her or we'd be stuck there indefinitely with my SO being tortured. When I said "get my child back" I assumed by this time the woman also had been released and was not living with him as a slave or something. By "getting it back" I meant taking the child away from it's current situation. If I could then track down the mother of course I would and we'd see where that goes.

[Sel Appa]

I would give her a nice present:

[Regiria]

Haha! I don't have an SO, so nothing bad can possibly happen! Aha!

This is why you don't have anyone through whom someone else can coerce you to do anything, thereby making yourself impervious to such situations.

"Ooh, oh hoo, ha ha ha ha hee hee hee! You have NOTHING, nothing to threaten me with."

[Bottle]

In before "What is an SO?"

I suppose I would rape her. Allow me to explain.
I (supposedly) would have strong emotional connections to my SO. I (supposedly) would not with her.
Definite, possibly endless, torture of my SO vs. temporary torture of the girl

The event would probably destroy that relationship anyway.

I can see no other option other than attacking the rich man anyway I can, hell, even killing myself destroys his stupid little plans,

Killing yourself would be obvious, if it weren't for the fact that I've already promised there's no escape - not even death.

To be honest I have the same problem as others, I can hardly provide a choice when it all seems so meaningless.

Worse, it seems to be a means of finding a way to justify rape by any means one can, by arranging the parameters so it was 'all one could really do', or making the point that 'there can be scenarios in which rape is the only option', which is generally a troubling sign.

This.

It really just seems like an elaborate fictional set up to try to justify having the "hero" raping one woman to save another while still remaining the hero. Woo hoo, he gets to rape a woman and still be seen as "saving" his own woman!

It's been done.

[Lackadaisical2]

I'd yell "Surprise!" first. Problem solved.

[Bottle]

Personally I find rape worse than murder but for me it's because one lives with the effects.

I find rape more comparable to torture than to murder.

If somebody asks me, would you murder somebody to save your brother? I might say yes. I could probably pull a trigger and shoot another person, if I had to, to save the life of my brother.

But if somebody asked me, would you torture somebody to save your brother? I think I'd have to say no, because I don't honestly think I could do it. I don't think I could torture somebody else.

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

[Barringtonia]

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

Yeah, that's what I meant by my initial response..

In before "What is an SO?"

I suppose I would rape her. Allow me to explain.
I (supposedly) would have strong emotional connections to my SO. I (supposedly) would not with her.
Definite, possibly endless, torture of my SO vs. temporary torture of the girl

The event would probably destroy that relationship anyway.

I mean, I really didn't see any real 'thanks' being appropriate where one had to rape a girl...

...which is why the entire set up struck me as generally disturbing,

[Person012345]

Personally I find rape worse than murder but for me it's because one lives with the effects.

I find rape more comparable to torture than to murder.

If somebody asks me, would you murder somebody to save your brother? I might say yes. I could probably pull a trigger and shoot another person, if I had to, to save the life of my brother.

But if somebody asked me, would you torture somebody to save your brother? I think I'd have to say no, because I don't honestly think I could do it. I don't think I could torture somebody else.

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

Well, considering the other option is that you'd be tortured, probably until you died, would it be such a bad thing for him to save you? Would you not be in the slightest bit sympathetic for his situation? Especially if you consider the consequences if he refused. Once you'd died and they had no leverage over your SO, they probably would have killed him and found someone else to rape the girl. I think if you were ever in the thought experiment, then you would appreciate what he would have to do, but if you didn't I'm afraid I would consider you ungrateful.

[Dyakovo]

A very interesting hypothetical based on a dream I had a few years ago. By the way, I have very interesting dreams. This dream is told from the perspective of a man, and there's no way for me to convert it. You'll just have to make do, ladies.

Let's suppose that someone of infinite moneys and power (or, finite, but enough that you can't match it) has kidnapped you because he likes your DNA profile, and has kidnapped another person that he liked her DNA profile. This powerful person's aim, of course, is for you two to produce a child which then the rich person will take as his own. You are your age, and the girl is ~15.

Here's the kicker. She doesn't want to have sex with you, and she's so idealistic he hasn't been able to barter or threaten her with anything to make her willingly submit. Therefore, you will have to rape her.

As leverage, this rich man has kidnapped your SO, and she will be tortured until you rape this girl and impregnate her (however many times that takes), at which time you and your SO will be released.

So, how will it be - rape the girl and force her to carry your spawn, or watch your loved one suffer?

By the way - this is a hypothetical, and there's no way to escape or otherwise beat it. Either you rape the girl, or you don't.

Given that situation, I would rape the stranger.
And Darth Elmo... You have creepy dreams.

[Dyakovo]

If my SO was being tortured, I'd do it, because I care about her more than the random girl.

But I'd feel like such a monster that I'd kill myself after.

Pretty much exactly what my thought process was...

[Dyakovo]

Personally I find rape worse than murder but for me it's because one lives with the effects.

I find rape more comparable to torture than to murder.

If somebody asks me, would you murder somebody to save your brother? I might say yes. I could probably pull a trigger and shoot another person, if I had to, to save the life of my brother.

But if somebody asked me, would you torture somebody to save your brother? I think I'd have to say no, because I don't honestly think I could do it. I don't think I could torture somebody else.

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

Actually that's what I think my wife's reaction would be. I would still (if as in the hypothetical there was no other choice) choose to rape a stranger to save her.

[Lackadaisical2]

Personally I find rape worse than murder but for me it's because one lives with the effects.

I find rape more comparable to torture than to murder.

If somebody asks me, would you murder somebody to save your brother? I might say yes. I could probably pull a trigger and shoot another person, if I had to, to save the life of my brother.

But if somebody asked me, would you torture somebody to save your brother? I think I'd have to say no, because I don't honestly think I could do it. I don't think I could torture somebody else.

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

Actually that's what I think my wife's reaction would be. I would still (if as in the hypothetical there was no other choice) choose to rape a stranger to save her.

Exactly, I don't think many view it as a particularly heroic thing to do, simply better than the alternative.