Loved one, or stranger?

[Nobel Hobos]

It's Rape night on NSG.

I'll stick with rape, thank you.

Sigged.

It's always tiem for raep.

Explain this joke to me please.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's Rape night on NSG.

I'll stick with rape, thank you.

Sigged.

It's always tiem for raep.

Explain this joke to me please.

Me, me me!! *rises hand*

This was the 3rd. in on a series of threads posted last night that involved 'rape'.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's Rape night on NSG.

I'll stick with rape, thank you.

Sigged.

It's always tiem for raep.

Youuuu, and NERVUN started this trend.

[Grand Tomania]

There's nothing that causes "performance anxiety" like an insane torturer forcing you to rape someone. My poor fictional SO would just have to put up with it.

[Greed and Death]

I try to avoid having loved ones. Such weakness is not for me.
Though if he is that rich I am certain monetary compensation could be agreed to for my stud services.

[Zoharland]

A very interesting hypothetical based on a dream I had a few years ago. By the way, I have very interesting dreams. This dream is told from the perspective of a man, and there's no way for me to convert it. You'll just have to make do, ladies.

Let's suppose that someone of infinite moneys and power (or, finite, but enough that you can't match it) has kidnapped you because he likes your DNA profile, and has kidnapped another person that he liked her DNA profile. This powerful person's aim, of course, is for you two to produce a child which then the rich person will take as his own. You are your age, and the girl is ~15.

Here's the kicker. She doesn't want to have sex with you, and she's so idealistic he hasn't been able to barter or threaten her with anything to make her willingly submit. Therefore, you will have to rape her.

As leverage, this rich man has kidnapped your SO, and she will be tortured until you rape this girl and impregnate her (however many times that takes), at which time you and your SO will be released.

So, how will it be - rape the girl and force her to carry your spawn, or watch your loved one suffer?

By the way - this is a hypothetical, and there's no way to escape or otherwise beat it. Either you rape the girl, or you don't.

I'd rape her, If only because my SO would be far more important than some stranger.

I mean, the guy is even going to raise the kid after its born, its not like thats not a plus.

The only problem is, does he let her go afterwards. If he did, I'd have to kill her to keep her from going to the proper authorities about it. Oh, and you'd have to keep it from your wife, less see leave you for thinking you a monster.

...

[The Imperial Navy]

If I got myself into that situation? I'd just kill myself.

[Ullostien]

I guess i would have to rape her as I couldn't bear see my loved one being tortured.
After the event I would track the man down and hand him to a state that still uses the death penalty. He deserves a lot worse.

I just though of a twist. What if the man was one of your 'friends'?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I just though of a twist. What if the man was one of your 'friends'?

That would probably triplicate the gravity of the situation.

Rape the girl, watch your loved one be tortured, kill a friend...

[Zoharland]

I guess i would have to rape her as I couldn't bear see my loved one being tortured.
After the event I would track the man down and hand him to a state that still uses the death penalty. He deserves a lot worse.

I just though of a twist. What if the man was one of your 'friends'?

...You would hand the man to the state? Then what, go to prison for raping a 15 year old?

You do know they'll need details as to why you're handing him over, right?

[Lackadaisical2]

I just though of a twist. What if the man was one of your 'friends'?

I don't think that makes any difference really.

I guess its a little worse *shrug*

[Ullostien]

I guess i would have to rape her as I couldn't bear see my loved one being tortured.
After the event I would track the man down and hand him to a state that still uses the death penalty. He deserves a lot worse.

I just though of a twist. What if the man was one of your 'friends'?

...You would hand the man to the state? Then what, go to prison for raping a 15 year old?

You do know they'll need details as to why you're handing him over, right?

I didn't think about that. I would have to make friends in high places or maybe take him to a country where i won't get done and kill him!

[North Avayu]

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

That's how I feel at the moment. I made my decision quick, without thinking too much and in retrospect I'm less than satisfied by it.
Of course the problem with hypothetical questions is that our normal decision making processes don't really work in those situations, so I don't really know how I would react. But speaking hypothetical now, I would rape her to save a loved one. I would destroy a life to save another. I only hope that I would have enough strength to kill myself afterwards.

[Alevuss]

In before "What is an SO?"

I suppose I would rape her. Allow me to explain.
I (supposedly) would have strong emotional connections to my SO. I (supposedly) would not with her.
Definite, possibly endless, torture of my SO vs. temporary torture of the girl

The event would probably destroy that relationship anyway.

I can see no other option other than attacking the rich man anyway I can, hell, even killing myself destroys his stupid little plans,

Killing yourself would be obvious, if it weren't for the fact that I've already promised there's no escape - not even death.

First of all, you have wierd dreams. Second, I would either rape the girl and then kill her before the baby is born a few months later or rape her and kill the rich man.

[Galloism]

First of all, you have wierd dreams. Second, I would either rape the girl and then kill her before the baby is born a few months later or rape her and kill the rich man.

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

Why kill the girl?

[FreeSatania]

What is the rich man of infinite power going ot do with my spawn afterwards?

[Flameswroth]

By the way - this is a hypothetical, and there's no way to escape or otherwise beat it. Either you rape the girl, or you don't.

D'aaw, so this infinitely rich and powerful guy can't just take an egg and sperm, use a surrogate mother and get his loveslave that way? Lame...

What kind of torture are they using on my significant other? Because if it were sexual (ie, 'rape and impregnate her or we'll gang rape and impregnate your girlfriend'), I'd rape that 15 year old like there's no tomorrow. Otherwise, I'd probably hold out a bit longer...until I felt like my girlfriend couldn't handle it anymore...then I'd do it.

I mean, you gotta get out of it somehow right?

[Galloism]

What is the rich man of infinite power going ot do with my spawn afterwards?

Turn her into a sith.

I don't know. It wasn't stated.

[FreeSatania]

What is the rich man of infinite power going ot do with my spawn afterwards?

Turn her into a sith.

I don't know. It wasn't stated.

Can't I just lucid dream my way out of this one and maybe still get with the 15 y.o. and my S.O. ???

I guess If I absolutely have to choose I'd rape the 15 y.o. but I'd need to have some kind of guarantee of both of our escapes.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Me, me me!! *rises hand*

This was the 3rd. in on a series of threads posted last night that involved 'rape'.

Well, that and the fact that raep tiem is a meme.

[Conserative Morality]

If you wait, your SO suffers. However, we all have a finite pain tolerance, and he can (Presumably) keep you there for as long as needed and do what he must to coerce you into raping the girl, eventually. I hate to say this, but it's the only way out of the situation, and waiting isn't going to make it any better.

Bleh.

[Alevuss]

First of all, you have wierd dreams. Second, I would either rape the girl and then kill her before the baby is born a few months later or rape her and kill the rich man.

Ok, I'll bite on this one.

Why kill the girl?

To ruin the man's plans. He chose her out of billions and only her. I would rape her and go with his plans and then kill her before the baby was born so that he would lose both the child he has no right to have if he's doing this and the girl dead so he would lose his first choice woman and I wouldn't have to rape her again continuously or have her live any longer with what has happened.

[Czardas]

Since this is a hypothetical situation, I'd take the gun I just happened to have concealed upon my person shortly before being kidnapped, shoot the guy and his minions dead, and flee into the sunset with SO etc. Maybe also steal his immense wealth before leaving. Yay!

Okay, fine. If the situation were real -- even though situations like this (much like the mexican standoff) almost never happen outside of television, but whatever -- It'd be fair to say that I'd probably be physically unable and unwilling to actually commit rape, and, even if she finally agreed to consensual sex, impregnation would be unlikely unless they reversed my vasectomy. Thus, a couple of things would be possible:

1) I resist for a sufficiently long time, but my SO dies under the torture. This would likely cause me to snap and go into a murderous rage, killing everyone around me before finally, in despair at what I'd done, taking my own life. Problem solved! Okay, somewhat bloodily.

2) We resort to the old masturbate-into-a-cup, use-turkey-baster method. Tada, impregnation (eventually, if done right), and no sex required.

3) I am put under hypnosis and ordered to rape her. I'm not sure if this would work, but if it did, suicide would probably be preferable to prison (although I could talk to a lawyer first, find out how much the hypnosis/drugs/whatevr would absolve me of blame).

4) The stockholm syndrome scenario, in which the girl comes around and I somehow manage to get it up in spite of most likely not actually finding her attractive and having to watch the torture of my loved ones for days on end.

If I were the SO in this scenario, my answer would be broadly similar to Bottle's. From a utilitarian perspective, the torture of one person is more acceptable than the torture of two. And I certainly don't think I'd want to spend any time at all within a few hundred meters of a confirmed rapist, no matter his motivations for doing the act.

Hey, a hypothetical situation in which only two of the options result in my death or imprisonment! That's definitely beating the average.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I find rape more comparable to torture than to murder.

If somebody asks me, would you murder somebody to save your brother? I might say yes. I could probably pull a trigger and shoot another person, if I had to, to save the life of my brother.

But if somebody asked me, would you torture somebody to save your brother? I think I'd have to say no, because I don't honestly think I could do it. I don't think I could torture somebody else.

Oh, and here's a "ladies" view on the OP's situation: if I was the SO, and my (male) SO decided to rape that other woman to "save" me, then I would lose all respect for him and would get away from him as quickly as possible. I would not feel any gratitude, I would not view him as a hero, and I would never remotely consider being involved with him ever again. I'm sure lots of guys will leap to call me an ungrateful bitch for not recognizing his poor, poor plight, and how he was so noble for raping somebody to "save" me because he cared so very much, but I don't see anything noble about torturing.

Someone's definitely not a utilitarian.

[Ullostien]

Since this is a hypothetical situation, I'd take the gun I just happened to have concealed upon my person shortly before being kidnapped, shoot the guy and his minions dead, and flee into the sunset with SO etc. Maybe also steal his immense wealth before leaving. Yay!

Okay, fine. If the situation were real -- even though situations like this (much like the mexican standoff) almost never happen outside of television, but whatever -- It'd be fair to say that I'd probably be physically unable and unwilling to actually commit rape, and, even if she finally agreed to consensual sex, impregnation would be unlikely unless they reversed my vasectomy. Thus, a couple of things would be possible:

1) I resist for a sufficiently long time, but my SO dies under the torture. This would likely cause me to snap and go into a murderous rage, killing everyone around me before finally, in despair at what I'd done, taking my own life. Problem solved! Okay, somewhat bloodily.

2) We resort to the old masturbate-into-a-cup, use-turkey-baster method. Tada, impregnation (eventually, if done right), and no sex required.

3) I am put under hypnosis and ordered to rape her. I'm not sure if this would work, but if it did, suicide would probably be preferable to prison (although I could talk to a lawyer first, find out how much the hypnosis/drugs/whatevr would absolve me of blame).

4) The stockholm syndrome scenario, in which the girl comes around and I somehow manage to get it up in spite of most likely not actually finding her attractive and having to watch the torture of my loved ones for days on end.

If I were the SO in this scenario, my answer would be broadly similar to Bottle's. From a utilitarian perspective, the torture of one person is more acceptable than the torture of two. And I certainly don't think I'd want to spend any time at all within a few hundred meters of a confirmed rapist, no matter his motivations for doing the act.

After reading this I have changed my mind.
I don't think I would actually be able to rape a 15 year old girl even though I am only 16.
When I think about the consequences:
1. Would my SO still want to be with me after what I'd done?
2. Would I be able to live with myself after I'd done it?
But then I wouldn't want my SO to suffer, I'd sacrifice my life to save her's if that was an option.
I'd probably not be able to deal with the situation.