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Do, or don't?

Rape her.
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Resist.
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If I had the proper equipment, I would.
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Even if I had the proper equipment, I wouldn't.
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2%
You have creepy dreams, Gallo. See a psychiatrist.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:44 pm

Redwulf wrote:Of course there's a way to escape. If you can't find option three in a situation where you've only been given two you aren't trying hard enough. Besides, why isn't idiot boy simply harvesting an egg from the girl having me jack off in a cup and implanting the test tube baby in a willing surrogate that he paid with that infinite money of his?


Did you ever watch Silence of the Lambs?

Why did Hannibal Lecter not just kill his prey?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:46 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I have no clue, I doubt I could even get it "up" around a 15 year old, they just look so young and I'd feel so dirty....ugh. Well I hope my SO has led a long, happy, productive life!


Your sex life would be through after this, either way.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:47 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I have no clue, I doubt I could even get it "up" around a 15 year old, they just look so young and I'd feel so dirty....ugh. Well I hope my SO has led a long, happy, productive life!


Your sex life would be through after this begin and end on the same day, either way.


Fixed for most of NSG.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Barringtonia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:47 pm

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Barringtonia wrote:I'm not sure this is any fun as a thought experiment either and, like I said, the choice of parameters is rather disturbing.


As in most drastic thought-experiments involve murder rather than rape, or as in this is something a repressed sicko would day-dream about?


Setting up scenarios by which one 'had to rape' isn't really an interesting dilemma - this question can be resolved by plenty of other scenarios if the actual point of interest is 'loved one or stranger'.

I mean, it's at the very top of a long spectrum but it still boils down to justification for an act of rape.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:47 pm

G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.
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Postby Wilgrove » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:48 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I have no clue, I doubt I could even get it "up" around a 15 year old, they just look so young and I'd feel so dirty....ugh. Well I hope my SO has led a long, happy, productive life!


Your sex life would be through after this, either way.


True, every time you try to have sex, all you'll be able to see is that 15 year old girl's face, sobbing, crying, wrenching in pain.

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Postby Free Kanadian Refugees » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:51 pm

Oh Jesus Christ people...

You all forget that I'm the God damn Batman. I will CREATE A FUCKING THIRD OPTION that saves all of us without anyone being tortured or raped or anything. Fuck your moral quandaries, I'm the God damn Batman.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:51 pm

Wilgrove wrote:True, every time you try to have sex, all you'll be able to see is that 15 year old girl's face, sobbing, crying, wrenching in pain.


No, I just doubt that your SO (or any woman) would fuck you after this, whatever choice you made.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:52 pm

I don't have a significant other I care about yet, and because I strictly abide by my set morals and principles; the remaining option for me to take would be to resist.

Basically I'd try to takeover the role of the hero that saves the day (and the damsel in distress). I don't care how many guards I'd have to shoot/fight my way out of- in the end the villain and his henchmen would be defeated and after the rescue is complete; I might even be able to ask the girl on date and if she says yes and it works out, happily ever after.

But of course, that's assuming this scenario would ever have any basis in reality. Wouldn't it be easier to forcibly obtain a semen sample from the male and then artificially inseminate the female?
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Postby Wilgrove » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:52 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:True, every time you try to have sex, all you'll be able to see is that 15 year old girl's face, sobbing, crying, wrenching in pain.


No, I just doubt that your SO (or any woman) would fuck you after this, whatever choice you made.


How come? I mean I can see SO not wanting to fuck you after this. But why not other women, I mean they wouldn't have to know about it.

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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:53 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.


Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:54 pm

Wilgrove wrote:How come? I mean I can see SO not wanting to fuck you after this. But why not other women, I mean they wouldn't have to know about it.


This incident would be pretty (in)famous. You might find a girl who didn't recognize your face from the news, but the chances aren't good.
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Postby Wilgrove » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.


Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.


I think for me, it's because the victim is left alive, and has to live with the fact that she was raped for the rest of her life. That's not an easy burden and can have far reaching implication. I mean with murder, you're just ending a life, after that life has ended, then it's done. However with rape, the effects continue after the act has happened.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:56 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.


Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.


Maybe because some part of them might enjoy rape, which isn't something one could easily live with.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:57 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.


Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.

That is because any answers they might've come up with, any rehashing of the scenario, they don't like. They bring them face to face with the monstrosity of humanity.
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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:01 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Oh shit... I just realized it!! It's Rape night on NSG. :shock:

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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:06 pm

Also, you have fucked up dreams, G.

Question: Is my Significant Other aware of the choice I face? Since rich bastard is holding her hostage and torturing her if I don't rape the girl anyway, that is.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:09 pm

Callisdrun wrote:Also, you have fucked up dreams, G.

Question: Is my Significant Other aware of the choice I face? Since rich bastard is holding her hostage and torturing her if I don't rape the girl anyway, that is.

I'll go with yes. She's aware of the decision you face, and the results of each choice.

That sounds good to me.
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Postby Barringtonia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:G, the truth is that there is no simple answer to your hypothetical.


Of course there isn't.

You know, what's funny about scenarios such as this is that if you were to replace "rape" with "murder", everyone's already considered it and would have an instant answer. The strange part is, most of us have already hashed out that scenario and have figured it out entirely with a basis why we choose what we choose.


Do they, have they? I'm not sure I have an answer other than my original one, which didn't fit the parameters.

Is this referring another thread,

Make it rape, and everyone suddenly gets queasy. Why is that? Is it because they find rape worse than murder? Or do you think it's because they don't like the answer they come up with in their own head? Do you think it's because they've decided which they would do, and their answer is disturbing to them?

These are questions I ask myself every day.


Murdering someone for a loved one is considered 'honorable' and 'acceptable', raping someone is not.

...among other reasons, I suspect there's some misogyny involved in the disparity because, traditionally, a female always 'belongs' to a male and, therefore, by raping you're besmirching the honour of more than just a female, you're either making her unmarriageable or you're 'taking' another man's sexual property.

Personally I find rape worse than murder but for me it's because one lives with the effects.
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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:32 pm

Galloism wrote:
Callisdrun wrote:Also, you have fucked up dreams, G.

Question: Is my Significant Other aware of the choice I face? Since rich bastard is holding her hostage and torturing her if I don't rape the girl anyway, that is.

I'll go with yes. She's aware of the decision you face, and the results of each choice.

That sounds good to me.

Somehow I thought that would make the choice easier. It doesn't. Grr.
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Postby Wilgrove » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:33 pm

There is a third way out! Either kill yourself, OR, cut it off. You'll be a woman for the rest of your life, but meh.

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Postby Callisdrun » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:36 pm

Wilgrove wrote:There is a third way out! Either kill yourself, OR, cut it off. You'll be a woman for the rest of your life, but meh.

Presumably this would be punished with something horrible being done to the SO.

Also, is it possible to communicate with my SO at all?
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:51 pm

I honestly can't say, I can't see myself going through with raping anyone, but, If I truly had a SO, I can't see me doing anything less than everything for her...

Idk, :unsure:

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Postby Maraque » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:54 pm

I'm just gonna say it; rape.

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Postby Tunizcha » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It's Rape night on NSG.


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