Trump passes executive order on Religion

[Datlofff]

On may 4th trump passed a executive order on religious grounds.

That’s because President Trump has directed the Department of Justice to come up with guidelines that will protect people of faith and “ensure these religious protections are afforded to all Americans.”

That means Attorney General Jeff Sessions will be writing guidelines for every federal agency to ensure that our rights are protected.

“No American should be forced to choose between the dictates of the federal government and the tenets of their faith,” President Trump said.

That’s a mic-drop moment, folks.

“We will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied or silenced anymore,” the president said. “We will never ever stand for religious discrimination.”

I am quite torn on this issue, on one hand, I believe people should have the right to live and do things based on their religion(So long as its not hurting anyone else). Example being, if a gay couple gets refused a wedding cake by a bakery because they are gay, then the baker shouldn't be forced by the government to bake them that cake, the couple should just go to another baker, thats the free market. But at the same time, I feel that when people are doing government work, such as legalizing marriages etc. They should be forced to follow those laws, but idk.

What do you think NSG

Sauces: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/trump-religion/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05 ... eedom.html
Alfredo

[Vassenor]

I still don't see where the Bible says that Christians are required to discriminate against homosexuals.

[Risottia]

Source?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I still don't see where the Bible says that Christians are required to discriminate against homosexuals.

There's more to Christianity than the Bible. While I don't agree with things like baking a cake, I could definitely see why a devout Christian wouldn't want to service a gay wedding, especially if they are involved in a specific Church (e.g. my Church doesn't allow clergy to attend gay weddings).

[Thermodolia]

I think we need a source

[Vassenor]

I still don't see where the Bible says that Christians are required to discriminate against homosexuals.

There's more to Christianity than the Bible. While I don't agree with things like baking a cake, I could definitely see why a devout Christian wouldn't want to service a gay wedding, especially if they are involved in a specific Church (e.g. my Church doesn't allow clergy to attend gay weddings).

So if it's not written down how do you prove that it's an honestly held belief and not just you using your religion as a shield?

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

I still don't see where the Bible says that Christians are required to discriminate against homosexuals.

There's more to Christianity than the Bible. While I don't agree with things like baking a cake, I could definitely see why a devout Christian wouldn't want to service a gay wedding, especially if they are involved in a specific Church (e.g. my Church doesn't allow clergy to attend gay weddings).

How is anything that's not the Bible valid? I'll answer that, it's not. It's just said to be valid by humans, which hardly makes it so, even assuming God is real in the first place.

[Audioslavia]

The thing about 'not baking cakes for gays' that confuses me is this:

What kind of self-respecting gay couple would get their wedding cake - their wedding cake, the most flamboyant of all cakes - from some boomer mom and pop cake shop?

[Neo Balka]

The thing about 'not baking cakes for gays' that confuses me is this:

What kind of self-respecting gay couple would get their wedding cake - their wedding cake, the most flamboyant of all cakes - from some boomer mom and pop cake shop?

i dont know, seems to make for good headlines.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There's more to Christianity than the Bible. While I don't agree with things like baking a cake, I could definitely see why a devout Christian wouldn't want to service a gay wedding, especially if they are involved in a specific Church (e.g. my Church doesn't allow clergy to attend gay weddings).

How is anything that's not the Bible valid? I'll answer that, it's not. It's just said to be valid by humans, which hardly makes it so, even assuming God is real in the first place.

I think you don't understand how Christian theology works very well. Christian belief, at least in Orthodoxy and Catholicism, the two oldest forms of Christian belief, is based on Holy Tradition passed down from the time of the Apostles. The Bible is one part of this tradition.

[Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy]

I still don't see where the Bible says that Christians are required to discriminate against homosexuals.

Well the Bible says to kill the gays, to discriminate against them.
“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

“If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

These are two quotes, but Christianity is not like this any more

[Thermodolia]

The thing about 'not baking cakes for gays' that confuses me is this:

What kind of self-respecting gay couple would get their wedding cake - their wedding cake, the most flamboyant of all cakes - from some boomer mom and pop cake shop?

In the two instances where it happened the couple had been previously customers of the store, they liked the place so they wanted the cake from them.

[Uxupox]

i think you might need a source op .

[Thermodolia]

i think you might need a source op .

Didn't this whole thing turn out to be just a photo op?

[United Muscovite Nations]

i think you might need a source op .

Didn't this whole thing turn out to be just a photo op?

Yes, the specific law in question has been extremely loosely enforced for decades, and that includes under the Obama administration.

[Thermodolia]

i think you might need a source op .

Didn't this whole thing turn out to be just a photo op?

Yup I was right. The federal register shows that the last Trump EO was back in April. https://www.federalregister.gov/executi ... trump/2017

[Uxupox]

i think you might need a source op .

Didn't this whole thing turn out to be just a photo op?

At least in a photo op you can see some style. This doesn't have nothing. its ugly

[Neu Leonstein]

Forget the cake.

[Thermodolia]

Forget the cake.

I hate Mississippi

[Neo Balka]

Forget the cake.

>legal in most states.

Bwab a bab a bawb, trump is clearly at fault.

[Neu Leonstein]

>legal in most states.

Bwab a bab a bawb, trump is clearly at fault.

As far as I'm concerned, the idiots with the funeral home are at fault. But whatever you say.

[Gauthier]

The best way to get the Republicans to turn on this, is of course, to have Muslims openly citing this as justification to refuse service to scantily clad women or somesuch.

[Gauthier]

[DP]

[United Muscovite Nations]

The best way to get the Republicans to turn on this, is of course, to have Muslims openly citing this as justification to refuse service to scantily clad women or somesuch.

Tbh, I would support Muslims doing that.

[Thermodolia]

>legal in most states.

Bwab a bab a bawb, trump is clearly at fault.

As far as I'm concerned, the idiots with the funeral home are at fault. But whatever you say.

It's just Mississippi being Mississippi. The last state to ever join the rest of civilization.

If one thinks that the republicans and the south are stuck in the 1950's then Mississippi is stuck in the 1850's