White Australia still a thing for Australian Labour Party?

[Major-Tom]

I've done my research and I've decided that there simply isn't a better party within all of Australian politics in existence.
I officially endorse: Pauline Hanson's One Nation party to rule over Australia. This is the party that needs to permanently govern Australia for the better.

Lol, Hanson is a loony. Former fish and chip stand operator turned bitter divorcee. Also, she looks like a Pixar villain.

[Australian rePublic]

When the ALP does it "It's a little mistake" but if the LNP made this ad, the reactions would look more like this:

[Uiiop]

When the ALP does it "It's a little mistake" but if the LNP made this ad, the reactions would look more like this:

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That's because it's clearly both...duh.

[Australian rePublic]

When the ALP does it "It's a little mistake" but if the LNP made this ad, the reactions would look more like this:

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That's because it's clearly both...duh.

No, my point is that people aren't idiotically overacting to it, because the left winged party was the one that f**ked up. If it was the right-wing party

[Cedoria]

. Gonski was about redistribution and a more equitable funding model, when you do that, some schools will lose funding by definition, but they'll tend to be the ones who can afford to if you do it right. But that's not really what Turnbull's doing either...

So if Malcolm Turnbull is not taking money away from the schools that have too much and giving it to the schools that have too little, why is he taking away from the schools that have too much and giving it to the schools that have too little?

He's not though... That's kind of the point...

It's a bit complex but basically it's just shifting most of the stuff around from schools that have too much money too others that have too much money, with a few breadcrumbs for the poorer schools (like where my Mum has worked for a long time), which get very little despite their facilities falling down, parents who don't give a shit and teachers who have to spend so many hours in meetings they don't have any time to teach the damn kids...

Our public education system is screwed.

Funnily enough, some government money going to private schools is not a bad idea, especially if said school uses that funding to lower the costs of fees for parents, as many of them do. Otherwise private schools literally are just used by the rich. It sounds counter-intuitive, but in some ways, it's a better way of eliminating serious class distinctions by ensuring that many lower and middle-class parents can afford some private schools too, rather then stripping away all their funding, leaving poorer families to crowd out public schools and the wealthy to send their inbred little goblins to the private schools.

Couple that with the fact that private schools (generally), have better educational standards, and you have a recipie for a more egalitarian educational system. So I'm not actually necessarily in favour of no government funding for private schools (I say that as a socialist). If they have to exist, might as well make them as widely accessible as possible.

[Cedoria]

I've done my research and I've decided that there simply isn't a better party within all of Australian politics in existence.
I officially endorse: Pauline Hanson's One Nation party to rule over Australia. This is the party that needs to permanently govern Australia for the better.

Then we know not to listen too you again...

Seriously, this is the women who left Australia for England because we had too many immigrants, then left England because London had too many immigrants and came back here, then demands that others show absolute loyalty to country...

On the plus side, England now has one less immigrant, and I'm sure they're very happy about it, otherwise she would've been our worst export since Rupert Murdoch...

That, and she wants immigrants to take an English language test she herself would fail...

[Bakery Hill]

The casting choice was stupid, the policy is fine.

[Bakery Hill]

Pauline Hanson is as close as you can get for that and her party has a grand total of seven seats in any legislative body at the federal or state level. Why? Because the (popular) stereotype of Australians being a bunch of overt xenophobes is only that: a stereotype. Most people in Australia aren't racist, xenophobic or believe in "white is right". They're tolerant, friendly, laid back people with open minds and hearts.

Haven't you heard of the Cronulla riots? I've read extensively about what happened and know who started it.

Here we fucking go.

It was the Lebanese immigrants' fault for provoking the locals and getting them angry, needlessly attacking life guards.

It was a minor incident on a beach that got blown out of proportion by a bunch of shock jocks.

What Cronulla had there was a bunch of Muslim men, middle easterners all acting obnoxious, harassing women and underage girls, going out of their way to treat them like trash and disrespecting the Australian men alike because they're Kafir.

Kafir? You're conflating Lebanese with Muslim aren't you? Islamophobia wasn't as big a thing then. It was all about "the Lebs" the majority of whom are Christians, no one was blaming Muslims.

If a westerner attempted similar behavior in Lebanon, believe me- they'd have been lynched or stoned to death. The wrath of the Australians boiled over until they physically retaliated and defended their community's honor.

No, a bunch of idiots got on the piss and started bashing people that looked darkish.

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.

Go home seppo, don't need your advice mate.

[Bakery Hill]

Some people in Cronulla got pissed off at the fact that some refugees and immigrants were coming from Lebanon. They essentially said "they don't speak our language, they look different, etc.". Basically typical anti immigration stuff. Then they proceeded to protest (and I believe, they beat up some Lebanese people). This caused the youth in the Lebanese community to riot, and before the heads of the Lebanese community could say "Don't do stupid shit", they did stupid shit.

So all in all, it was humans being waaay to reactionary.

I insist that it was the immigrants' who caused the riots and created the conditions for it in the months leading up to it. This is what the historical record supports. It is only liberal White guilt and historical revisionism that paints the immigrants as the victims and the White Australians as the provocateurs when it was much the opposite. I'll only change my mind if more White Australians who were there and witnessed it all say as much, which they don't.

Of course hardly any Lebanese or other Muslim immigrants in Australia at the time are ever going to admit to any wrongdoing when they most obviously did. Casually raping White women in Cronulla, beating up life guards who're trying to do their job, and claiming whole segments of the beach to themselves when the Cronulla residents were there before they arrived and had more of a right to be there in the first place.

The White Australians had plenty of genuine grievances regarding the behavior of the Muslim immigrants which they refused to rectify, and the two inevitably came to blows once building tensions boiled over into tit for tat violence from both sides. What people need to recognize however, is that the Lebanese community of Australia in particular, was responsible for starting the entire dispute. Specifically, their delinquent youths which displayed outrageous conduct and were out of control.

Here's one reporting in m80. You've got no idea what you're talking about. You're trying to tie this issue to your own ideological point, despite knowing next to nothing about the events or the conditions which lead to it. Sit down and listen.

[Bakery Hill]

Labor is making a strategic play for Pauline Hanson's core demographic. They've heard the lessons that whining white men feel neglected and they are, in the parlance of the right, virtue signalling.

The ad was aired in regional QLD. This was calculated.

It's a return to their roots as the working class party. That's why they are fighting 457 visas so hard.

As they should be. But the working class is not the preserve of white people, even in this country. Someone should remind them that.

[Bakery Hill]

Me thinks you have no idea of what actually happened....

I can't emphasize enough how "right on the money" Alan Jones was about the situation. The proof pointing towards Lebanese youths is out there, but Australia doesn't accept it because of a liberal conspiracy that tries to protect Australia's immigration policy from being questioned too harshly by their predominately White electorate.

Alan Jones fucking caused the riots.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-02/t ... ed/4292052

[New Puruni]

If a political party in an african nation had >90% black people in their campaign ad would someone make a fuss about how white or asian people are not represented?
No.
Why make a fuss about this?

[Hashitoro]

It was a complete accident, and oversight that has been blown out of proportion by our murdoch-owned media.

Also it is spelt LABOR, not LABOUR

[Bakery Hill]

You'd think the Aboriginals would at least get a token representation

They always get ignored.

But even without being told anything about a scandal, I would have noticed that something was a bit odd about the ad. Maybe it's because I lived in inner-city Sydney for years and so I have a skewed view of what Australians look like, but if you drew a random sample of 12 people from around where I lived, it would not look like that!

Yeah even most decent sized rural towns have a decent population of Asian and Aboriginal people from my experience.

[Bakery Hill]

Wait, why does the Australian Labor Party spell "labor" the correct way (unlike the op)?

They dropped the "'u" because they thought it looked modern.

That and King O'Malley.

[Bakery Hill]

Checked.
The picture is perfect and it's not a mistake, it's in fact a very precise description of the Australian population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... population
Those are the main ancestries in Australian population:
English (36.1%)
Australian (35.4%)
Irish (10.4%)
Scottish (8.9%)
Italian (4.6%)
German (4.5%)
Chinese (4.3%)
Indigenous Australians (3.0%)
"Australian" meaning both "generic European Australian" and "generic Anglo-Celtic Australian".
In the picture there's a woman who seems to be of Chinese ancestry, so the picture is on the whole absolutely correct and very representative of actual Australian population.
They could have included an indigenous australian, but it wasn't really necessary: they're 1-in-33 persons, and by so quite unlikely to appear in a random group of just 12 persons.

Even the sex ratio is excellent, and the depiction of women as normal women, without sexualization.
My congratulations to Australian Labour Party.

Did they draw these people randomly or decided it to be all white people and a token asian?

It's clearly decided it to be all white people and a token asian, because that's the actual demographics of Australian natives.

Yeah nah what are these statistics? 12% of the population is Asian.

[Bakery Hill]

I've done my research and I've decided that there simply isn't a better party within all of Australian politics in existence.
I officially endorse: Pauline Hanson's One Nation party to rule over Australia. This is the party that needs to permanently govern Australia for the better.

can't overwhelm the leyonhjelm

m8

Cunt can't even take a joke.

[Bakery Hill]

Labor is making a strategic play for Pauline Hanson's core demographic. They've heard the lessons that whining white men feel neglected and they are, in the parlance of the right, virtue signalling.

It's a return to their roots as the working class party. That's why they are fighting 457 visas so hard.

The ALP is simply falling into line with the wishes, desires and conservative social beliefs of its biggest benefactors; construction and trades unions. Unfortunately this insistence on social conservatism has seen them lose a swath of voters on the political spectrum to both the Greens and Coalition. The ALP are a party that stands for nothing at the moment.

What are you talking about? Have you even seen a construction site here? Last time the far right tried a rally in Brisbane, unionised construction workers beat the shit out of them.

[Dazchan]

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.

The fact that you equate "poor" with "low quality" demonstrates your complete ignorance of Australia, its history and its values.

Our country was built by working class immigrants. The Chinese, the Italians, the Greeks, the Vietnamese, the Lebanese, etc, all made the country what it is today. The white Australia that you pine for never existed.

[AiliailiA]

OP: It's the Australian Labor Party. No U. The party used the 'correct' Australian spelling for the first decade, but King O'Malley (who was US-born) got it changed. How stupid is that ... anyway, you spelled it wrong and you did that in the thread title.

I agree with Anthony Albanese, "it's a shocker". The visual is really bad, though actually a representative sample of Australians probably does look like that!

On the topic "jobs for Australians" it's particularly important to be inclusive, which means putting token Aborigines and Lebanese and Vietnamese Australians in the group. Without even considering the White Australia history of Labor, just by the topic addressed, it is necessary to show what they DON'T mean by "Australians".

About 8% Asian descent, that's her right of center in the group. Aboriginal descent about 3%, having even one in the group of 12 would exaggerate by a factor of nearly three. There probably should be more dark-haired white people but actually the picture is quite representative of Australians. You're a very white country, don't kid yourself about that.

[Bakery Hill]

OP: It's the Australian Labor Party. No U. The party used the 'correct' Australian spelling for the first decade, but King O'Malley (who was US-born) got it changed. How stupid is that ... anyway, you spelled it wrong and you did that in the thread title.

I agree with Anthony Albanese, "it's a shocker". The visual is really bad, though actually a representative sample of Australians probably does look like that!

On the topic "jobs for Australians" it's particularly important to be inclusive, which means putting token Aborigines and Lebanese and Vietnamese Australians in the group. Without even considering the White Australia history of Labor, just by the topic addressed, it is necessary to show what they DON'T mean by "Australians".

About 8% Asian descent, that's her right of center in the group. Aboriginal descent about 3%, having even one in the group of 12 would exaggerate by a factor of nearly three. There probably should be more dark-haired white people but actually the picture is quite representative of Australians. You're a very white country, don't kid yourself about that.

This whole thread's been foreigners rifling through notoriously ambiguous and often outdated census data coming from Wikpedia, rather than how shit appears to be to the average Australian living here. Do we really need any more of this?

[Chessmistress]

OP: It's the Australian Labor Party. No U. The party used the 'correct' Australian spelling for the first decade, but King O'Malley (who was US-born) got it changed. How stupid is that ... anyway, you spelled it wrong and you did that in the thread title.

I agree with Anthony Albanese, "it's a shocker". The visual is really bad, though actually a representative sample of Australians probably does look like that!

On the topic "jobs for Australians" it's particularly important to be inclusive, which means putting token Aborigines and Lebanese and Vietnamese Australians in the group. Without even considering the White Australia history of Labor, just by the topic addressed, it is necessary to show what they DON'T mean by "Australians".

About 8% Asian descent, that's her right of center in the group. Aboriginal descent about 3%, having even one in the group of 12 would exaggerate by a factor of nearly three. There probably should be more dark-haired white people but actually the picture is quite representative of Australians. You're a very white country, don't kid yourself about that.

This whole thread's been foreigners rifling through notoriously ambiguous and often outdated census data coming from Wikpedia, rather than how shit appears to be to the average Australian living here. Do we really need any more of this?

"How shit appears to be to an Australian" is still less worthy
than

"Reflecting a Nation: Stories from the 2011 Census, 2012–2013". Australian Bureau of Statistics. 21 June 2012.

That was my source.
It's not extremely up to date, but it's not even outdated.
Unless you're suggesting that there have been a massive immigration in the last 5 years.

[USHALLNOTPASS]

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.

The fact that you equate "poor" with "low quality" demonstrates your complete ignorance of Australia, its history and its values.

Our country was built by working class immigrants. The Chinese, the Italians, the Greeks, the Vietnamese, the Lebanese, etc, all made the country what it is today. The white Australia that you pine for never existed.

Well, I mean, white Australia did exist. It was just neither liked nor logical. I mean Australia is partially to blame for causing the Pacific Theatre.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Well, I mean, white Australia did exist. It was just neither liked nor logical. I mean Australia is partially to blame for causing the Pacific Theatre.

Please elaborate, I have not once heard this line of thought before.

[Bakery Hill]

This whole thread's been foreigners rifling through notoriously ambiguous and often outdated census data coming from Wikpedia, rather than how shit appears to be to the average Australian living here. Do we really need any more of this?

"How shit appears to be to an Australian" is still less worthy
than

"Reflecting a Nation: Stories from the 2011 Census, 2012–2013". Australian Bureau of Statistics. 21 June 2012.

That was my source.
It's not extremely up to date, but it's not even outdated.
Unless you're suggesting that there have been a massive immigration in the last 5 years.

Nice work at trying to mock my language, very telling. But we're talking about personal and national identity here; to be seem is to be.

Beyond that there's heaps of shit wrong with your stats and analysis. For one, you lump in "Australians" the second largest category in the census as white. I know plenty of non-white people who identify as Australian and will fill out documents accordingly.

I mean feel free to tie in your not so subtle racism to your weird brand of 1970s radical feminism, but at least realise you've got no idea what you're talking about.