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White Australia still a thing for Australian Labour Party?

Postby Cetacea » Sun May 07, 2017 9:54 pm

The Australian Labour Party has coped a whole lot of flack in its latest campaign advertising "Employ Australians First"
the sentiments fine unfortunately the visuals show Labour Leader Bill Shorten standing next to a group group made up almost entirely of 'White' people (I think there's 1 asian) , sparking accusations of racism that picked up steam on social media today.

While its good that a number of Labour MP's are angry that the ad was approved, the fact that it made it to the public view without anyone noticing the overwhelming whitewash speaks volumes about the state of Australia and the general blindness to the reality that a diverse range of people including the Indigenous, Asians, Indians and Islanders all make up modern Australia.

So what do you think NSG, is it racism? was it an innocent mistake, simple oversight or just blatant ignorance?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/a ... ed/8506358

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Postby Main » Sun May 07, 2017 9:59 pm

I don't know much about the Australian Labour Party, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. My uninformed opinion is that this was an oversight, and that there should be a poll.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun May 07, 2017 10:02 pm

'innocent mistake' and 'blatant ignorance' could conceivably be lumped together, so this misses 'considered strategy'.

Beyond that.. Louis CK captures my thoughts..

"I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun May 07, 2017 10:04 pm

I believe it may have been more ignorance than racism. Personally, I find the diversity of the cast to be irrelevant; I would argue that there is no racist intent apparent — thus the accusations nothing more than poppycock. For now this is my opinion on the matter, a mere first glance opinion might I add, I will look further into this.

Although this is the Australian Labour Party, they are prone to stupidity from my experiences.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun May 07, 2017 10:12 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:I believe it may have been more ignorance than racism. Personally, I find the diversity of the cast to be irrelevant; I would argue that there is no racist intent apparent — thus the accusations nothing more than poppycock. For now this is my opinion on the matter, a mere first glance opinion might I add, I will look further into this.

Although this is the Australian Labour Party, they are prone to stupidity from my experiences.


Really.. I can imagine the politician saying 'wait, that girl 5th from the right looks a little Asian, any chance we can replace her?'

I suspect the entire issue with world politics right now is that Obama was voted in and politicians thought.. 'wait, a black man can take my job too..' and that's kick-started the whole nationalism.. white power first.. shtick..

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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 10:13 pm

Oh, dear, baboon assfucking christ.

who, the hell, cares?
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sun May 07, 2017 10:23 pm

Oh no! What ever will we do without a diverse cast!
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 10:24 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Oh no! What ever will we do without a diverse cast!


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Postby Saikaya » Sun May 07, 2017 11:07 pm

Simply because it doesn't show blacks or whatever have you?
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sun May 07, 2017 11:11 pm

Bombadil wrote:Really.. I can imagine the politician saying 'wait, that girl 5th from the right looks a little Asian, any chance we can replace her?'


If we are to follow that mentality (that the politician sees them as a threat, which is what I presume your saying), would it not be wiser to dispose of all the participants.

Bombadil wrote:I suspect the entire issue with world politics right now is that Obama was voted in and politicians thought.. 'wait, a black man can take my job too..' and that's kick-started the whole nationalism.. white power first.. shtick..


I believe that the rise in refugees has caused the influx of White Nationalism; more so than Obama coming to power.

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Postby New Puruni » Sun May 07, 2017 11:12 pm

Isn't it racist to have racial quotas?

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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 07, 2017 11:20 pm

White Australia should still be a policy. I'm surprised that Australia doesn't have a single major conservative party which makes that one of its central planks that it campaigns on. Provided Australia is majority White, I'd expect for such a party to get considerable success electorally.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun May 07, 2017 11:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:White Australia should still be a policy. I'm surprised that Australia doesn't have a single major conservative party which makes that one of its central planks that it campaigns on. Provided Australia is majority White, I'd expect for such a party to get considerable success electorally.


Pauline Hanson is as close as you can get for that and her party has a grand total of seven seats in any legislative body at the federal or state level. Why? Because the (popular) stereotype of Australians being a bunch of overt xenophobes is only that: a stereotype. Most people in Australia aren't racist, xenophobic or believe in "white is right". They're tolerant, friendly, laid back people with open minds and hearts.

Now, as a New Zealander who has just defended Australia, I am going to go and flail myself.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 08, 2017 12:13 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Pauline Hanson is as close as you can get for that and her party has a grand total of seven seats in any legislative body at the federal or state level. Why? Because the (popular) stereotype of Australians being a bunch of overt xenophobes is only that: a stereotype. Most people in Australia aren't racist, xenophobic or believe in "white is right". They're tolerant, friendly, laid back people with open minds and hearts.


Haven't you heard of the Cronulla riots? I've read extensively about what happened and know who started it. It was the Lebanese immigrants' fault for provoking the locals and getting them angry, needlessly attacking life guards. What Cronulla had there was a bunch of Muslim men, middle easterners all acting obnoxious, harassing women and underage girls, going out of their way to treat them like trash and disrespecting the Australian men alike because they're Kafir. If a westerner attempted similar behavior in Lebanon, believe me- they'd have been lynched or stoned to death. The wrath of the Australians boiled over until they physically retaliated and defended their community's honor.

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon May 08, 2017 12:36 am

Saiwania wrote:White Australia should still be a policy. I'm surprised that Australia doesn't have a single major conservative party which makes that one of its central planks that it campaigns on. Provided Australia is majority White, I'd expect for such a party to get considerable success electorally.


The immigration policy should be based on maintaining the main cultural ethnic groups of the nations as majorities. While allowing minority immigration, respecting all minorities rights. Even Mexico allows xx number of Hispanic immigrants per nation. Allows xx numbers of immigrants per year. Deports xxx numbers of illegal immigrants every year. Most if not all nations set quotas and financial conditions on the number of immigrants per year, per nations, and per financial conditions, they think their economy can absorb per year. Even Mexico who complains about US immigration policy towards Mexico. So says the nativist.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Mon May 08, 2017 12:44 am

Bombadil wrote:'innocent mistake' and 'blatant ignorance' could conceivably be lumped together, so this misses 'considered strategy'.

Beyond that.. Louis CK captures my thoughts..

"I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it.

But for now, wheeeeeeee!"


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Postby Cedoria » Mon May 08, 2017 12:49 am

I would argue if the only racism in Australia was in a fucking ad campaign, then there'd be absolutely nothing worth kicking up a fuss over. Diversity in advertisements? Really, is this the one issue we have too argue over? If that were true we'd be doing pretty well.



Of course that's far from true, but if you're going to campaign against racism in Australia, I'd rather it be directed against something both important and detrimental to the quality and enjoyment of life of ethnic minorities in this country.

Ergo, not this.

Personally I don't give a flying fig about 'diversity' in something that is purely intended as a propaganda campaign, (which is all advertising really), it doesn't reflect reality, so who cares? And I'm never met an actual Asian, Muslim or Indigenous person (all of whom I have in my friendship circle), who gives an actual damn about the ad either.


We have better targets for our ire then this, by far. It just makes us look stupid to be worrying about it.
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Postby Cedoria » Mon May 08, 2017 12:52 am

Saiwania wrote:White Australia should still be a policy. I'm surprised that Australia doesn't have a single major conservative party which makes that one of its central planks that it campaigns on. Provided Australia is majority White, I'd expect for such a party to get considerable success electorally.

We have, it's called Pauline Hanson's One Nation (PHON). Just add a Y to that acronym and you'd describe them perfectly.


They won about 5% of the vote last federal election, so, not very well actually, they have more reach then grasp, and are more listened to then they should be given the numbers of people who vote for them.

For people who've been claiming to speak for the 'silent majority' they sure do poll pretty shit when the entire population actually gets the chance to vote, and with compulsory voting, it's not really a claim they should be able to get away with making without being laughed at.
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Postby Cedoria » Mon May 08, 2017 12:54 am

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Costa Fierro wrote:Pauline Hanson is as close as you can get for that and her party has a grand total of seven seats in any legislative body at the federal or state level. Why? Because the (popular) stereotype of Australians being a bunch of overt xenophobes is only that: a stereotype. Most people in Australia aren't racist, xenophobic or believe in "white is right". They're tolerant, friendly, laid back people with open minds and hearts.


Haven't you heard of the Cronulla riots? I've read extensively about what happened and know who started it. It was the Lebanese immigrants' fault for provoking the locals and getting them angry, needlessly attacking life guards. What Cronulla had there was a bunch of Muslim men, middle easterners all acting obnoxious, harassing women and underage girls, going out of their way to treat them like trash and disrespecting the Australian men alike because they're Kafir. If a westerner attempted similar behavior in Lebanon, believe me- they'd have been lynched or stoned to death. The wrath of the Australians boiled over until they physically retaliated and defended their community's honor.

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.


You are obviously reading the wrong sources... Since nobody with a thinking brain who was around at the time actually describes it that way...


Que the 'its the victims fault for being victims' syndrome coming again from the hurt nativists.

And I'll bet the original inhabitants wanted to keep colonial settlers out too, but you can't always get what you want can you?
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Costa Fierro wrote:Pauline Hanson is as close as you can get for that and her party has a grand total of seven seats in any legislative body at the federal or state level. Why? Because the (popular) stereotype of Australians being a bunch of overt xenophobes is only that: a stereotype. Most people in Australia aren't racist, xenophobic or believe in "white is right". They're tolerant, friendly, laid back people with open minds and hearts.


Haven't you heard of the Cronulla riots? I've read extensively about what happened and know who started it. It was the Lebanese immigrants' fault for provoking the locals and getting them angry, needlessly attacking life guards. What Cronulla had there was a bunch of Muslim men, middle easterners all acting obnoxious, harassing women and underage girls, going out of their way to treat them like trash and disrespecting the Australian men alike because they're Kafir. If a westerner attempted similar behavior in Lebanon, believe me- they'd have been lynched or stoned to death. The wrath of the Australians boiled over until they physically retaliated and defended their community's honor.

All of what happened on that day might've been avoided had the immigrants not been in the country to begin with or perhaps vetting people from Lebanon and other such places to ensure that only their top 1% is allowed in, and all the poor or lower quality people were kept out of Australia.

Ok ok. What happened was this:

Some people in Cronulla got pissed off at the fact that some refugees and immigrants were coming from Lebanon. They essentially said "they don't speak our language, they look different, etc.". Basically typical anti immigration stuff. Then they proceeded to protest (and I believe, they beat up some Lebanese people). This caused the youth in the Lebanese community to riot, and before the heads of the Lebanese community could say "Don't do stupid shit", they did stupid shit.

So all in all, it was humans being waaay to reactionary.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon May 08, 2017 1:35 am

USHALLNOTPASS wrote:Some people in Cronulla got pissed off at the fact that some refugees and immigrants were coming from Lebanon. They essentially said "they don't speak our language, they look different, etc.". Basically typical anti immigration stuff. Then they proceeded to protest (and I believe, they beat up some Lebanese people). This caused the youth in the Lebanese community to riot, and before the heads of the Lebanese community could say "Don't do stupid shit", they did stupid shit.

So all in all, it was humans being waaay to reactionary.


I insist that it was the immigrants' who caused the riots and created the conditions for it in the months leading up to it. This is what the historical record supports. It is only liberal White guilt and historical revisionism that paints the immigrants as the victims and the White Australians as the provocateurs when it was much the opposite. I'll only change my mind if more White Australians who were there and witnessed it all say as much, which they don't.

Of course hardly any Lebanese or other Muslim immigrants in Australia at the time are ever going to admit to any wrongdoing when they most obviously did. Casually raping White women in Cronulla, beating up life guards who're trying to do their job, and claiming whole segments of the beach to themselves when the Cronulla residents were there before they arrived and had more of a right to be there in the first place.

The White Australians had plenty of genuine grievances regarding the behavior of the Muslim immigrants which they refused to rectify, and the two inevitably came to blows once building tensions boiled over into tit for tat violence from both sides. What people need to recognize however, is that the Lebanese community of Australia in particular, was responsible for starting the entire dispute. Specifically, their delinquent youths which displayed outrageous conduct and were out of control.
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Postby Philjia » Mon May 08, 2017 1:40 am

An innocent mistake, but it probably says something that at no point did anyone say "Here, wait a minute..."
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Postby I didnt vote for Trump » Mon May 08, 2017 2:27 am

The fact that a campaign ad that features only white people is the forefront of the minds of the young politically active shows how really apathetic this country is.

It's so embarrassing to be an Australian these days.

Recently, a landmark court case was passed that signals the end of mult-billion dollar corporations being able to funnel their profits out of Australia through back doors and escape paying tax. And despite how monumental and progressive this court case was and what it means for this country, the young, woke pseudo-political activists couldn't give a shit because they're too stupid to be interested in tax law.

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Postby Aclion » Mon May 08, 2017 2:35 am

Census says about 90% of Australians are white, so while not perfectly representative it's not particularly disproportionate for a sample of 12 people to all be white. They could easily have gotten that crowd by pulling people off the street.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon May 08, 2017 2:36 am

Philjia wrote:An innocent mistake, but it probably says something that at no point did anyone say "Here, wait a minute..."


It seems like whatever way they are going to get flack

(A) Don't think about people in racial terms. Get called out for all white advertising
(B) Consciously think about racial terms. Start to think about people in racial terms. Instead of 35% of Australians voting for labor its suddenly 15% white Australians? voting labor and 20% Lebanese Australians voting labor? Please let us not become like the USA.

Is wog Australian such a thing??? Please no.
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